October 16, 2020
With Friends Like These
Julián Castro Had Trouble Smiling
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In This Episode
Why do people enter public service? How do they keep going when times get hard — or they wind up not lasting long in a presidential primary? Julián Castro talks about injustice, strategic voting, and his new podcast, “Our America.”