Ira, Louis, and guest host Cat Cohen discuss the Golden Globe nominations, the internet’s obsession with Luigi Mangione, Spotify Wrapped, why Resy sucks now, Best of 2024 lists, and more. Jodie Turner-Smith joins Ira to discuss her new series The Agency, being a Horse Girl, and their shared love of Tom Cruise films.

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Ira Madison III And we are back with an all new episode of Keep It. I’m Ira Madison, the third.

 

Louis Virtel I’m Louis Virtel. You’re wearing a Renaissance shirt today. I’m wearing a Carole King shirt today. I feel like these are both two of our most well-worn items. I don’t want to I don’t want the audience to think we’re not trying, but it’s just weird. But basically, if we were cartoon characters, these are the shirts we would be wearing.

 

Ira Madison III I mean, listen, Cozy, the song Cozy Sweater.

 

Louis Virtel From the Tapestry album. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, The original writing’s on the.

 

Louis Virtel Wall, if you will. My you know, my favorite thing about Tapestry is Carole King is, like, thought of us. I think, like, that album is thought of as, like, grandmotherly wisdom. Girl That album came out when she was 28 years old.

 

Ira Madison III So she was one of those, you know, like grandma girls, right?

 

Louis Virtel Yeah. Just some people are near a cat and wear a sweater. And that’s how their life works. Weirdly, we are not by ourselves here. We should not be talking about this. We are.

 

Ira Madison III Not we. I mean, speaking of cats. Yes, I usually do that. I usually do this pardon segway.

 

Louis Virtel That you can be counted on for exactly that. Yes. Thank you.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, but we have this fantastic Cat Cohen with us today.

 

Cat Cohen My God. I’m so excited to be here. You’re going to kill me? My wife. I cut out, but I’m back.

 

Louis Virtel How very. Murder. Mystery. Whodunit, Energy.

 

Cat Cohen Louis, Don’t shoot me dead. But you’re a little quiet. You’re a little quiet.

 

Louis Virtel Okay. I’ll keep on the project. All right. Wow. I was in Arsenic and Old Lace when I was a freshman in high school, and I believe that wisdom on stage training and combat training will help me today.

 

Cat Cohen It does translate to podcasting. As they said, I got my start in the theater and then I graduated to podcasting.

 

Louis Virtel And that is so sad. Imagine if that happened to like Laurence Olivier, Like we’d all just be like, you know, culture would be Lester, You know what I’m saying?

 

Cat Cohen How are you all today? What’s the vibe?

 

Ira Madison III I honestly like the rest of the internet. I’m horny today. Sure. yeah. Well, Italian shout.

 

Cat Cohen Out to the little bit.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, yeah, yeah. Luigi not him of Luigi’s mansion. No. Come of Luigi Mangione. This shooter, the health care shooter, correct?

 

Cat Cohen It’s crazy, I feel like I’m living in a movie.

 

Louis Virtel Well, you know what’s weird is, like, we treat the Internet is like, we have all these, like, problematic boyfriend types all the time. I can’t really think of another shooter we’ve all had a crush on. It is a bit of an unusual vibe.

 

Cat Cohen It’s crazy. It’s crazy to thirsting for a shooter.

 

Ira Madison III Do you think that people were. Down bad for John Wilkes Booth photo in the newspaper.

 

Louis Virtel I mean, he was an actor, right? But of some renown and comes from an acting family. So I assume people admired the bone structure. You know what I’m saying?

 

Cat Cohen My God. I know all of my friends have followed him on Instagram.

 

Ira Madison III Yes. Well, he deactivate. He was, I think, Instagram.

 

Cat Cohen Oh it’s done.

 

Ira Madison III Account now because Instagram, you know, Metta doesn’t want us supporting murderers, I guess.

 

Cat Cohen Interesting. Interesting take.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah.

 

Louis Virtel Not up at the Times, I say. Yeah. No way. Ira, I saw on your profile. Did you screenshot the fact that this man followed our podcast?

 

Ira Madison III That is what I posted.

 

Cat Cohen No. You guys.

 

Louis Virtel That is. So you mind blowing. And my next question is, did my takes on Bonnie McKee or and or Amelia Perez send him over the edge? What do you think?

 

Ira Madison III What I want to say about him, too, is, first of all, people are like, my God, he’s a right wing crazy person because they were finding out his politics online. But I don’t feel like he was a right wing person so much as he was just a person who consumed things on the Internet. Like I’m sure his YouTube algorithm is crazy because people find his good reads profile and it’s like he’s reading it, but it just is just a pen student, basically.

 

Cat Cohen And I keep a listener.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah.

 

Cat Cohen No, that’s amazing.

 

Louis Virtel The psycho profile. I mean, it writes itself. I’m just saying.

 

Ira Madison III I’m sure he listens to Seek Treatment, too.

 

Cat Cohen I’m sure he does. He totally has that vibe.

 

Ira Madison III *laughs*

 

Louis Virtel You two on this fucking podcast are so unbelievable. Your. Your podcast reminds me of Jesus and Miro and that it’s like you two could have only found each other. Like this is like an exact pairing. Like the match is so jigsaw tight. Did it feel like that from the start?

 

Cat Cohen Well, you know, it only started because we met. Sort of fell in love, admired each other and were trying to write something together. And obviously that never happened. We’re like, Fuck this. We can’t get our act together. Let’s just talk and record it.

 

Ira Madison III That’s a beautiful way to avoid writing.

 

Cat Cohen Six years later, here we are. And some days we go, Why do we do this? And yet it is fun.

 

Louis Virtel No that reminds.

 

Cat Cohen How did ya’ll connect?

 

Louis Virtel And I feel like that one of the most relatable people sincerely in popular culture is Fran Lebowitz, because she’s somebody who should be a writer but is like, Actually, I would just prefer to say it. And now that’s the entire world.

 

Ira Madison III She’s got, like two books.

 

Louis Virtel No. By the way, they are like half books. She barely sat at the typewriter.

 

Cat Cohen You know, I think if you write one book, you should be allowed to be like, I’m topping out. That’s my contribution to the oeuvre, and I’m done.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, I think that was also the era of New York where you just people were talking. You know, she was around, she was orating, she was yapping at parties. I don’t feel like she didn’t go to parties, but she was talking to somebody. And that’s all you needed to do back then?

 

Louis Virtel No, The Village Voice will write it down for you. You know what I’m saying? Yeah.

 

Ira Madison III Louis and I, to answer your question. We just met. That’s something in L.A.. Maybe like a bar or something. Yeah. Yeah. Years before the podcast. And then when we were creating Keep It. You know, we. I did several Crooked made me do several tests with people.

 

Cat Cohen And you got to pick.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. And Louis was the first pick. It was the first one that had, like, actual chemistry with me.

 

Cat Cohen That’s amazing. That’s fun.

 

Louis Virtel And by that I mean like has a problem where I don’t forget any movie or music or I’ve ever experienced. And so when you’re talking about these things nonstop, they’re like, Well, why don’t we just keep the pasty person who can’t shut up?

 

Cat Cohen My God. Well, thank God, because y’all are going to find out that I have seen one movie in my life. I am so ill informed and I’m going to give hot takes today about things I haven’t seen.

 

Louis Virtel The best kind.

 

Ira Madison III What’s your what’s your, you know, go to what’s loaded in your gun, so to speak.

 

Cat Cohen Like, you know, any year, any day, any vibe. Yeah. I’m just like a classic Bridget Jones’s diary rom com. A Frances Ha is one I’ve watched a million times. Any girl kind of struggling on her couch like this? That’s what I like.

 

Louis Virtel Frances Ha is a fabulous movie. And the scene when she goes to Paris and has nothing to do, I mean, that is a generational touchstone. Nothing does more like with like people in our generation. Like we feel like we should be doing something, quote unquote, real with our lives and then we get to do the real thing. And we’re like, well, this is confusing. I could have just been sitting at home on my phone.

 

Cat Cohen I always think about the line where she’s at the dinner party and the guy’s like, What do you do? And she’s like. And it’s hard to explain. And he goes, because what you do is complicated. And she goes, No, because I don’t really do it. I’m like, Damn.

 

Ira Madison III You know, I wonder if Greta Gerwig came up with that as a response to like The Hills, you know, because I feel like that taught young women, You go to Paris, don’t be the girl who does Paris. But, you know, Greta was like, what are you going to do in Paris?

 

Cat Cohen You’re going to see if she sees Puss in Boots, too, doesn’t she? She walks by at the entrance like, Should I see Puss in Boots in Paris, which is like the realest feeling like, why am I doing the same things in a different place?

 

Ira Madison III Honestly, Good choice.

 

Cat Cohen Do you guys feel like everything comes from within, or can external things validate you?

 

Ira Madison III god, I only get it validated by external things. Yeah. No, no.

 

Louis Virtel Excuse me, jokers. 1 in 2, please. External validation is the end all Be all. I believe awards are more important than people. Did I not say that first?

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Yeah, I read. Also you want to talk about Wheelhouse as you came for the perfect week because we got to talk about the Golden Globe nominations and.

 

Cat Cohen Let’s hear.

 

Ira Madison III It. Got to be spin spinning around like Linda Blair here.

 

Louis Virtel P green vomit. Yeah, the whole nine yards.

 

Cat Cohen And I love once when vomits in a movie, it’s like the funniest thing you can do.

 

Louis Virtel It is crazy how we just there’s no way to master vomiting looking actually authentic because. No, but for the most part, vomiting in a movie. They do it once and that can look real. But you can’t do it three times in a row. You know, like you’re actually sick. Like you’re actually purging something I love.

 

Cat Cohen I’m one of my favorite vomits was I think it’s Reese Witherspoon in Big Little Lies. She has. I think it’s like a green smoothie.

 

Ira Madison III Yes.

 

Cat Cohen At lunch with the girl. And it’s like, that’s ah, to me, that’s my taste level.

 

Louis Virtel You sound like a scholar to me. You’re. You really played down your knowledge.

 

Cat Cohen You guys stop.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, you know what you’re talking about.

 

Cat Cohen You’re right.

 

Ira Madison III You’re right. Yeah. So we’re going to talk about the Golden Globes nominations this week. We’re also going to assess best of 2024 lists. What do they mean and what’s on our lists. So that should be fun. And then we’ve also got a solo interview that I did with the amazingly gorgeous Jodie Turner-smith.

 

Louis Virtel I loved her very much in the movie after Yang also, which I think very underrated, but also.

 

Ira Madison III To have people, right?

 

Cat Cohen my God.

 

Louis Virtel It’s never been done. Now they’re going to be one, two hot people in a movie.

 

Cat Cohen I want him to kill me.

 

Louis Virtel Know, when you watch that Penguin show, it’s like, all right. Wow. And he can do only I’ve never. It’s a crazy new tech.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, He’s not hot in it, though.

 

Cat Cohen Yeah. So why did they do that to him?

 

Louis Virtel It’s pathetic. It’s. He abandoned, I think.

 

Ira Madison III I think actors, when they’re that hot, you know, and especially like someone like him with, like, the sex tapes is like, we know he’s hot. Like, we’ve seen him at work.

 

Cat Cohen Breakfast, lunch and dinner.

 

Ira Madison III Nice girl. So whatever got.

 

Louis Virtel Along on this podcast?

 

Ira Madison III So when he’s on set, he’s probably like, You know what? I’m sick of being hot. You know, I don’t want to show off no more. Like, that’s his vibe. I was like, Let me be ugly. So, yeah, you get it.

 

Cat Cohen You know, I’m going to start doing a full body disguise for my stand up shows the illusion.

 

Ira Madison III Very. Tyra Banks. Yeah.

 

Cat Cohen 12 hours in the chair for homeless. He’s crazy. She’s given us so much.

 

Ira Madison III So we will be right back with more Keep it and more Cat.

 

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Ira Madison III For weeks we’ve been gearing up for awards season. And now that the Golden Globes have announced their nominations, we finally arrived. We’re going to get into the nominations from the snubs to the Shockers to these new categories. And then we’ll take a step back to ask whether the Golden Globes even matter anymore.

 

Louis Virtel It is confusing because we wanted the Golden Globes to reform themselves a few years ago and, you know, have voters of color or whatever the issue was. And now that they’ve reformed, I actually forget what we are celebrating with the Golden Globes, why they exist, why we’re looking at these nominations, who chose them? It’s just I’m excited for the Nikki Glaser component. Like, definitely get up there and insult people who just want to drink and have alcoholism. But otherwise, I’m looking at these nominations and I think I don’t think it’ll have any bearing on the Academy Award nominations, which, as you know, clinically, I am still obsessed with and believe matter really well.

 

Cat Cohen I’m today I’m the intuitive correspondent. As someone who hasn’t seen the films, I’m going off pure intuition. Please decide if they should be nominated or not. So I’m honored to be here.

 

Ira Madison III Okay. Let me ask you a question. That’s motion picture. I’m going to I’m going to name some bags, and I just want to see what you think they’re about.

 

Cat Cohen The brutal photo, like the Brutalist boxer.

 

Ira Madison III Okay. A complete unknown. Is that.

 

Cat Cohen Wrong? I know. That’s the Dylan movie. I’m not totally out of the league.

 

Ira Madison III Okay. She wrote a brief clave.

 

Cat Cohen Serial killer, priest, nurse clothes.

 

Ira Madison III Basically, you know.

 

Cat Cohen Priestners.

 

Ira Madison III Are devious.

 

Louis Virtel Right? It really should have been called devious priests. Devious priests. Devious cards.

 

Cat Cohen Yes.

 

Ira Madison III Come on, Mark Cherry, Come back with that. Yeah. Gov. Marc Cherry said that he would love to do a new Desperate Housewives, but have it set in 1966.

 

Cat Cohen I would love that.

 

Louis Virtel Just pure Mad men, But only the women. That’s how it should have been.

 

Cat Cohen Get me on there. Get me in the mix, please. Like I said. Yeah, I want my little my Peggy hair like all.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Yeah. June part two.

 

Cat Cohen Well, that’s some sand that’s in. The Sand experience.

 

Ira Madison III Nickle Boys.

 

Cat Cohen I know that’s based on a novel.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Very good novel.

 

Cat Cohen I know it is a cool, like, first person POV situation that people are talking.

 

Ira Madison III And Sept 5th..

 

Cat Cohen That’s about, like, the Olympics thing.

 

Ira Madison III I don’t. I have no idea, actually.

 

Cat Cohen It’s. You know, I’m struggling with that. You know, you guys know I’m struggling with that. If I see a poster on the street and all is says is September 5th, I go, Well, what’s coming out September 5th?

 

Ira Madison III Right? Yeah.

 

Cat Cohen Crickets.

 

Ira Madison III And me. I’m like, Is this a prequel to, you know, Sept 11th.

 

Cat Cohen I know. I go it’s interesting to September considering that’s already has a has a big date.

 

Louis Virtel So you’re concerned that it’s a prequel in the way that Ocean’s Eight might be a prequel to Ocean’s 11? September 5th is leading up to September 11th. It does scan. I do see where you’re coming from. Go to a hospital. You are in danger.

 

Ira Madison III You joke. But there’s probably someone like who wrote like a September 5th, like an off-Broadway play where it’s, you know, set in the Trade Center before it happens outside. That’s where that’s that’s about Club Chalmette.

 

Cat Cohen What is the deal with that? Can you explain that to me?

 

Ira Madison III She has a story about how she she used to work at the towers or whatever, but she wasn’t there that day and she survived. This is an old black woman who’s stalking 70 shellabear.

 

Cat Cohen I’ve seen some of the tweets like in other people’s insta stories. Is my connection to it?

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. She’s I was very shocked where it turned out. She was like like like an anti really a grandmother even. She is, yeah. She is obsessed with Timothy Chalamet. There have been videos of her basically at former like press events or at red carpets, like hugging him, grabbing at him. But he knows who she is.

 

Louis Virtel Oh quite.

 

Cat Cohen Yeah, It’s very live. It’s very like Leave me alone is the the thesis of most of her posts.

 

Louis Virtel And also the strange thing about her is that once upon a time, she was obsessed with Michael Fassbender. So she moves. She’s like a serial monogamist as it pertains to being a fan. Yes.

 

Ira Madison III So actually, shout out to Jodie Turner-smith, who I interviewed today, who’s in the show, the agency with Michael Fassbender. If if Club Chalamet was still a club, Fassbender like Jodie would be in danger. Girl. Right.

 

Cat Cohen Club Chalamet is so good.

 

Louis Virtel That’s just that. The words Club Chalamet. She really hit a home run with that. I personally, because of only those two words, she matters anyway.

 

Ira Madison III So unfortunate because you know that he to me is the exact kind of person who like would have opened like a club Salomé in a BS or something in like 40 years. But now he probably never will. Yeah.

 

Louis Virtel It’s too scary.

 

Cat Cohen She painted the phrase, The phrase has been tainted. Now, what do you guys think of the Golden Globe nominee?

 

Louis Virtel Well, I would say so. I think the embargo on a complete unknown reviews is up to date. So, IRA, did you see it, too?

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, no, I moved the my screening because I was sick. I had sort of a side infection slash. Also, I did not feel like going and sitting in the theater for three hours and watching a Dylan movie.

 

Louis Virtel Well, let me tell you something. Bob Dylan also had a sinus infection and he turned it into a singing career. So you could have just done that. But let me tell you something.

 

Ira Madison III This second movie about Dylan, by the way, because he did it was.

 

Cat Cohen More than two. There’s like so many, don’t you think?

 

Ira Madison III Never mind. Walk the Line is about Johnny Cash. Continue.

 

Louis Virtel But Johnny Cash was also in this movie. Okay. So this movie does not reinvent the biopic in any way like it is the early days of Bob Dylan and his friendship romance with Joan Baez. And then he becomes a superstar and then he goes electric and everybody feels betrayed. Honestly, I can’t say this does one thing that would surprise you. I thought it was really good. I thought it was entertaining the whole time. I am a bit of a sucker for like early 60s Greenwich Village, you know, like like, you know, his mama Cass going to pop up any minute now? I was, like, waiting for a cameo that she didn’t know. And I’m also a big Peter, Paul and Mary fan, and I was expecting them to come up and they just make fun of Peter, Paul and Mary. So I got a bit defensive. Let me tell you something. Mary will turn you out with a fucking vocal. Bob Dylan will turn your skin. Okay? And those are two different things. So I’m just going to stick up for the Peter, Paul and Mary girls.

 

Ira Madison III I went to the Dylan Museum in Tulsa recently, the archive, and I saw like old photos of Greenwich Village. So like, I like that aspect of it, you know? But I’ll see it.

 

Louis Virtel I think it’s more entertaining than you’ll be surprised by it. And also there’s a lot more singing in it than I expected. I mean, it’s a musical biopic, obviously, but I don’t think of Timothy Salome as a musical entertainer. He totally carries that part of it off very well.

 

Ira Madison III However, he’s a rapper. I know you see him rapping Nicki Minaj, and when he went to LaGuardia.

 

Louis Virtel My God, absolutely not. And Elle Fanning won the National Board of Review Best Supporting Actress award for this. That is ridiculous. There are so many great best supporting actress performances this year. And in this movie she is totally the girlfriend who’s like, But Barb, what about me? Like, there’s no nuance to it.

 

Ira Madison III Well, speaking of supporting. Big actors. What I love about the Golden Globes is it’s really just sort of like there’s room for everyone. Let’s just say that because of the supporting category, it’s really just like rolling out the celebs. It’s got Selena Gomez, Ariana Grande de Isabella Rossellini for her five minutes of screen time, which I say let her cook.

 

Louis Virtel But we didn’t get off the screen. Five minutes.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. And Zoe Saldana and Amelia Perez stars.

 

Cat Cohen I think that’s the long form.

 

Louis Virtel It’s there. I loved Zoe Saldana, that movie. Did you see that? Selena Gomez was criticized by that guy who started the movie Coda for having a terrible Spanish accent?

 

Ira Madison III Yes. I mean.

 

Louis Virtel And she was like, I’m sorry, I could I could have done better. And he was like, okay, well, I was right.

 

Ira Madison III She could have critiqued his sign language accent, but she’s not funny. You know, Zoe is great in the TV show Lioness, which I just started watching.

 

Louis Virtel And now that has Nicole Kidman on it, too. And lionesses. What are they doing? They’re spies and they have wonderful hair.

 

Ira Madison III Does us, but they’re really just like in the Middle East. And they’re soldiers. The Marines. Okay.

 

Cat Cohen How does Nicole have the time? How does Nicole have the time?

 

Ira Madison III I don’t think she’s at home ever. I think she may.

 

Louis Virtel Be literally the most employed person in the history of show business.

 

Cat Cohen It’s unbelievable.

 

Louis Virtel It’s like Ryan Seacrest. I used to think it was. But no, I think Nicole is probably on average on more doing more sat time.

 

Ira Madison III I would not be shocked if Nicole Kidman would drop the podcast, too. She’s afraid. Why not? She loves to be busy.

 

Cat Cohen Yeah. If you like questions with Nicole Kidman.

 

Ira Madison III Of you know, I think that a lot of these nominations, it’s the Golden Globes are always interesting to me, too, because the nominations tend to come out before we sort of seen a lot of these movies anyway.

 

Cat Cohen So it’s not just me that makes me feel about it.

 

Ira Madison III I know some of the ones just like they’re not out or like, what are they about? Like you have a night bitch nomination here. You know, I saw I’ve.

 

Cat Cohen Seen the trailer. Shout out to Amy Adams.

 

Ira Madison III It came out the day the nominations came out, you know, So.

 

Louis Virtel I wonder if I’m going to like that movie. I’ve liked all of Maria Heller’s movies and it feels like the reaction to this is very up, down, left, back and diagonal. And I don’t know that Amy Adams is the right person to carry off this comic conceit. It sort of feels like it should be an Amy Schumer starring movie.

 

Cat Cohen Now, Louis, what’s your movie of the year? Personally?

 

Louis Virtel God, that’s good. I love this movie. Hard Truths, which we’ve talked about on previous episodes.

 

Cat Cohen Yes.

 

Louis Virtel Which is a very small British movie starring this woman, Marianne Jean-Baptiste, who’s won a couple of critics circle awards for best actress now, which is fabulous, except she was blanked here at the Golden Globes, which is deeply upsetting. It’s such a good performance.

 

Ira Madison III It’s nasty work on their part. Yes. She’s amazing in this movie.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah. And by the way, nasty performance. Yes. So you get it’s something in the movie lingers on you after it’s over, too. You’re like, well, what is up with her? And also with people and what we do to ourselves?

 

Cat Cohen What is up with people?

 

Ira Madison III It’s a mike Lee film. Right. And he if you haven’t seen Secrets of Lies, the movie that he did with her prior, you should watch that. But I love what he does with his movies, is that currently he, like he gets the cast together first, who he wants to write for, and then he writes a script.

 

Cat Cohen That is so sick.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah.

 

Cat Cohen Isn’t that the dream?

 

Louis Virtel No. You just like people enough to create good work for them that belongs to them. Yeah.

 

Cat Cohen It’s definitely on my list. Ah. Is that your number one, too?

 

Ira Madison III Not my number one film this year. I believe it’s. Well, let me check the letter box. I’m one of these people, but it’s like a Nora is right up there. I also have a different man. Which I love people.

 

Louis Virtel I think that movie has legs and will be a best Picture contender. I feel like there’s something about that movie that’s going to click.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, it got the Gotham for best. Whatever. And I think. Yeah. Okay.

 

Cat Cohen I actually was in.

 

Ira Madison III My senior year at the Gotham. I saw Chris Murphy’s photos.

 

Cat Cohen I go, Why am I here? Shout out. We had a great time. That’s where I learned about all the movies. I was like, okay, okay, I’m learning.

 

Ira Madison III Okay. You’re taking notes. You’re like, okay, that’s a movie. I was like.

 

Cat Cohen Definitely a movie.

 

Ira Madison III So tell us about the Gotham’s.

 

Cat Cohen Well, you know, well, I just wore an amazing dress that was like my favorite part of it. But. And then I got to hang out with Chris Murphy and have martinis. So what more could you want? But I would say it’s not that I don’t love movies, it’s that I’m like just so many years behind that I’ll be watching these movies in like a couple of years because of my attention span.

 

Louis Virtel That’s totally fair. Yeah, I know. You’ll you’ll appreciate it more properly, I think. I think people get swept up in the awards mania and what they should think of a movie, you know.

 

Cat Cohen Whenever I do go to the theater, though, I’m like, wow, I got to do that more. I did see a real pain, which I loved. Did you guys like it? Yes.

 

Louis Virtel It feels like a real I feel like Kieran is on track to win. I, I don’t think anybody is so good. I don’t think anybody is in his way for the best supporting actor. Oscar and I have slightly mixed feelings about that because I do believe he is the lead of that movie. But I.

 

Cat Cohen Was surprised by that, too.

 

Louis Virtel You know. But also, it’s like it’s a role he was born to play. It does have nuance. It’s also I think it has the thing that supporting performances tend to have when they win, which is it’s about studying that performance. You’re like, what’s going to happen with this person next? And then as that character changes, the movie changes, you know?

 

Cat Cohen I got chills.

 

Ira Madison III Yes.

 

Cat Cohen It was a real, real two hander. You know, when I was in the theater, I was a laughing out loud. My heart was warmed. I was like. And it was. And it was 90 minutes ago. To me, this is a perfect movie.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Not for Rob, too, which I also thought is one of my favorite. I’m so excited for it. I mean, Robert Eggers is can do no wrong in my eyes. I mean, I love fucking up the Northman, which was great and that’s Ferrata is a guy so I think it’s like that’s right to a different man a Nora and then still challengers like those meta favorite movies this year.

 

Cat Cohen You guys you’ll love this. I went to see Challengers with my parents when they were in town. Did I didn’t. I didn’t know. Yeah. Like the the conversation I was like, let’s go because I parent. My mom loves tennis and it finished. She turns me afterwards and she goes, That’s the worst thing I’ve ever seen. I was like, I like that. She’s like, loud and nothing happens. I was like, respect.

 

Louis Virtel Also to watch a movie purely about sexual tension with your parents. What?

 

Cat Cohen It’s between them.

 

Louis Virtel Yes.

 

Cat Cohen Imagine.

 

Louis Virtel But yes. You when you sat between them. Okay, great.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah.

 

Cat Cohen By chance, you know, it reminded me of the time years ago when I went to I attended a SoulCycle class between them by accident.

 

Ira Madison III Okay, This seems like a this seems like a series. I want you and your parents going to say.

 

Cat Cohen Or does me not me not knowing enough about things. I mean, I. Yeah, let’s do it. Everyone loves that. Everyone loves that. And then we’re like, why are we doing this?

 

Louis Virtel Well, also SoulCycle, I mean, that would be awkward kind of in a different way because I feel like you’re on sort of a spiritual journey when you do SoulCycle Like, you’re like you have it. You have a connection with childhood trauma. Yeah, Yeah. So I don’t know. I mean, like, I don’t know that I would want to reveal that part of what really drives me to my parents.

 

Ira Madison III I had a spiritual journey during Challenger’s. Yeah.

 

Cat Cohen But they didn’t do enough kissing.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, that’s true. No one of those cast is, like, in the trailers, and that’s guy Guy in the beginning. But then no more kissing.

 

Louis Virtel It’s one of those movies that feels like you saw something really naughty after it was over, but then you didn’t. It was mostly about the implication that those things were occurring.

 

Cat Cohen Which boy is the boy for you? Which boy do you pick?

 

Louis Virtel I think well, I mean, it’s a complicated question. I think Mike faced is more classically that my vibe that said Josh O’Connor’s bastard penis maybe a bit sexier.

 

Cat Cohen He’s doing it for me.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Josh O’Connor in God’s own country is one of the hardest things I was.

 

Cat Cohen Having.

 

Louis Virtel Saying, you can’t do can’t bring that movie up. There’s a camera on me. You can’t be bringing up that movie. Yeah. Yeah.

 

Ira Madison III It is. It’s like a British. It’s British, right? Yes, it’s a British. It’s a British Brokeback.

 

Cat Cohen My God.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. So boozy. Paired with a movie. He’s paired with this actor. Alec and Alec sick around you, who is so insanely hot.

 

Louis Virtel So, by the way, we already brought up letterbox before. It can’t have you. I feel like you will be in the position soon where you will be on a red carpet and letter box will ask you for your favorite movies. Now that we’re on the subject and you’ve said you’re not encyclopedic on this, why don’t we nail this down right now? What for movies will you be picking?

 

Cat Cohen This is a really big moment. Thank you for. Thank you for giving me this opportunity. I start crying. Okay. You know, for me, I’m trying think of movies that are really. Really affected me. I mean, I was I would say Frances Ha is on there.

 

Louis Virtel Okay, great.

 

Ira Madison III Answer.

 

Cat Cohen I would say growing up for me, it was between it was two movies. It was Steve Martin’s father of the bride.

 

Louis Virtel Of course.

 

Ira Madison III Yes.

 

Cat Cohen Life changing. And it was Jim Carrey in Liar. Liar.

 

Ira Madison III Please.

 

Cat Cohen And we we have to hold space for that.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah.

 

Louis Virtel Right. When liar, liar comes up around. I’m sure you know Matt Rogers. He treats that movie like the when does he love it? He’s obsessed with it.

 

Cat Cohen That makes a lot of sense.

 

Louis Virtel Like a queen like me would be obsessed with, you know, Judy Garland in A Star Is Born or something.

 

Cat Cohen That makes so much sense. Yeah. Because his his sensibility overlaps with that. My sensibility, the silliness. And then we need something serious. So let me think. What’s. What’s sad and depressing? You know, I love you guys. This is like, really putting me on the spot. I’m going to have to think about this.

 

Ira Madison III Okay?

 

Cat Cohen So through all of yours, those are loaded.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah? What are your what are your. Is IRA. I’m surprised this hasn’t happened yet.

 

Ira Madison III Well, I have Scream two.

 

Louis Virtel Okay, great.

 

Cat Cohen Beautiful.

 

Ira Madison III I’m obsessed with that film. You know, Laurie Metcalf at the end, That is. That is opera.

 

Cat Cohen I’ve only seen one.

 

Ira Madison III You see? Scream, catch you scream two. Okay. Okay, great.

 

Louis Virtel And then you get a film that is bookended by that Jada Pinkett Smith performance and that Laurie Metcalf performance. You see, God only gives us so much. You know what I mean? This time he deliver.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. West Side Story, the original.

 

Cat Cohen Yeah, that’s a good pick.

 

Louis Virtel Mr. George Chakiris. Ms.. Rita moreno still with us?

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. I used to watch that movie maybe once a month, but I love them. So I had the little special edition box set. It’s gorgeous.

 

Louis Virtel Epic. Also, by the way, the color scheme of that movie. I love. Yes. The colors of them.

 

Ira Madison III Pedro Almodovar is my favorite director and I always am like switching back and forth one of his. It’s either like women on the verge of a nervous breakdown. Currently it’s a law of desire.

 

Louis Virtel That’s the horniest movie he made. So I concur with that. Yes. Mr. Banderas.

 

Ira Madison III Yes. And then Jurassic Park. Wow.

 

Louis Virtel It has everything.

 

Ira Madison III A movie for me? Yeah.

 

Louis Virtel You got some blockbuster, You got some arthouse. Which makes it believable. You know, I think when everybody when people pick two too many things that sound impressive, I’m like, shut the fuck. You have to be like Isabelle Huppert to pull that off.

 

Cat Cohen Right? If I had to throw in like a, I would say like opening night, I would say, okay, Mr. Castle That is for sure. For me, the drama, the, you know, the stuff that’s that does connect with me and has informed, informed my personality. Okay. And then you also reminded me. Maybe The Sound of Music. I mean, speaking of a musical movie.

 

Louis Virtel I can’t get over that. Mia Farrow auditioned for the role of the charming and lethal, the older sister. Can you picture that? So wild.

 

Cat Cohen No. Rosemary’s Baby is on my list. Maybe.

 

Louis Virtel I’m not a horror person, and Rosemary’s Baby would be in my top ten. Yes.

 

Ira Madison III You know, Maria mia in that would make it more like immaculate. The Sydney Sweeney movie.

 

Cat Cohen Never saw.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Spooky, spooky, spooky nun movie. So I was.

 

Cat Cohen Going to say that I am because I also say I do love horror. And I would also say The Exorcist would be on my list. Maybe.

 

Ira Madison III Okay.

 

Cat Cohen You guys are scared?

 

Ira Madison III No, no, no. I’m a horror fan.

 

Cat Cohen Oh, you are?

 

Ira Madison III Okay, I’ll go. Yes. No, I love.

 

Louis Virtel I’m an Ellen Burstyn fan. As a human being with a, you know, soul.

 

Ira Madison III So, yeah, of course.

 

Cat Cohen Of course. Okay. Louis, what are yours?

 

Louis Virtel I’m a radicalized fan of Rear Window. When people don’t pick, Rear Window is their favorite movie. I think you’re lying. Why don’t you pick your window? Explain why you didn’t pick Rear Window three of my favorite performances ever. This movie Metropolitan, which came out, I always bring it up.

 

Cat Cohen I love Metropolitan

 

Louis Virtel Isn’t it so good?

 

Cat Cohen Yeah its very good.

 

Louis Virtel So rewatchable. It’s Christmas time. So it’s time for everybody to see it for the first time if they haven’t seen it. The prime of Miss Jean Brody. Shout out to the late Maggie Smith. That was her Oscar winning role. And then I think I’d probably say Clueless is the comedy I’ve seen the most times.

 

Cat Cohen That’s a really good one.

 

Ira Madison III More than Clue.

 

Louis Virtel No, sorry. I have seen Clue more times. But if we’re talking about quality and quality of characters, you have to go with Clueless.

 

Ira Madison III You know what? A clue. Clueless mash up would be a great stage show.

 

Louis Virtel Or just, by the way, a great party theme You can do either clue or clueless.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Clue slash less crowd clued. Yes. Okay. Any final thoughts on these nominations?

 

Louis Virtel I loved our conversation about the Globes.

 

Ira Madison III We care about the Globes.

 

Cat Cohen No, the Globes are so huge for me. And I want to say congrats.

 

Ira Madison III Shout out to Pamela Anderson, though, getting a nomination and I’m here for that.

 

Cat Cohen I will say, seeing her in person, I was pretty gagged. She looked amazing. So gorgeous. The dress.

 

Ira Madison III I love her.

 

Louis Virtel They’re like so reverent to her. Yeah.

 

Cat Cohen That was a great doc.

 

Ira Madison III And honestly, she does the no makeup thing better than Alicia Keys.

 

Cat Cohen She looks great.

 

Ira Madison III It’s true.

 

Cat Cohen She’s glowing.

 

Louis Virtel I also would do well.

 

Cat Cohen Maybe no makeup, but there’s this skincare situation going on.

 

Louis Virtel So I do want to give a shout out to Hugh Grant, who’s nominated for Heretic, who I think we all think of him as, you know, a venerable fun screen presence. I think he secretly became one of my favorite actors over the past five years. I just fucking love him. I love the snark energy. I love the casual sense of intelligence. I just really crave him.

 

Cat Cohen You know, I loved that. Is it a very English secret? Is that what the series was?

 

Louis Virtel A very English Scandal. Yes.

 

Cat Cohen That was a really good.

 

Louis Virtel He was so good on that show. Yeah, Yeah.

 

Cat Cohen I’m a big fan of his, too.

 

Ira Madison III My final shout out is to I knew he’d get a nomination. Denzel Washington for Gladiator two. Speaking of Paul Mescal, you know who’s I feel like losing some juice sort of now. Like, I haven’t heard the girls talking about his SNL performance. Really? Whereas everybody was talking about Charlie actually X’s performance. But Denzel, everyone has seen that. It’s like you see the movie for Denzel. You sit through that three hours to watch Denzel Washington be Denzel Washington. I’ve been revisiting his like 2000 thrillers, like Out of Time and Days. I view John Q like he’s my favorite, my favorite actor, aside from Tom Cruise, you know, that’s for a static teenage fantasy reasons. His Vanity Fair cover and 2002 like that was a very important sexual awakening for.

 

Louis Virtel Benign.

 

Ira Madison III But yes, yes, but if I’m talking actors acting, it’s Denzel Washington. Yeah.

 

Cat Cohen That’s a miss.

 

Louis Virtel And also, of course, he’s amazing in the Pelican brief. Anyway.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, baby. Him and Julia answering those phones. It’s a movie about answering phones. That is a movie you don’t have anymore. You do not have an answering machine in that movie, okay? Like, you have to pick up the phone.

 

Louis Virtel And Julia had the perfect hair for, like, putting the phone in it, you know, It was like the phone was a perfect accessory for the size of the hair she had.

 

Cat Cohen Is there anyone, wait sorry?

 

Louis Virtel No. Go ahead.

 

Ira Madison III No, I was just saying.

 

Cat Cohen Yeah, Yeah.

 

Ira Madison III You.

 

Cat Cohen Your show, your rules.

 

Ira Madison III Honestly, I think that we’ve lost something in cinema. When you stop being able to have moments where a woman, like, picks up a phone, it just doesn’t work with a cell phone or texting. You know.

 

Louis Virtel And also just at the beginning of a movie when a character will be really stressed out. And how do they illustrate this to us? She’s going through her apartment and listening to answering machine messages, and they’re like, You’re supposed to be here. We’re waiting for you. Love that. Busy women? Yeah.

 

Cat Cohen Yeah. I always think of Miss Congeniality when she’s, like, ordering the Chinese food for three people, and then she’s like, It’s just for one. I’m like, that’s like a perfect scene to me. I was going to say, Are there any girls out there who are giving us Julia?

 

Louis Virtel Never. Because Julia is also a winning American television winning American star and additionally can serve [Unrecognized], which like, you know, I love her range of like I am one and also I’ll flatten you.

 

Cat Cohen She’s just the perfect movie star to me.

 

Louis Virtel Totally. I agree.

 

Ira Madison III All right. When we’re back, I’m going to sit down with Jodie Turner-smith and have a conversation about her new series, The Agency. But we have more Cat Cohen coming up on Keep It.

 

Ira Madison III Ever since her breakout role in Queen and Slim, we haven’t been able to take our eyes off this week’s guest from playing the Queen of England and Anne Boleyn to the Dragon Queen in Bad Monkey to God herself in sex education. She literally reigned supreme in all that she does now. She’s here to talk about her latest role in the agency, a new spy thriller on Paramount Plus, which Showtime. Welcome to keep it. Jodie Turner-Smith.

 

Jodie Turner-Smith Thank you. I’m so excited to be here.

 

Ira Madison III As Good to see you. You know, I think we met briefly at the Mulberry like earlier this year through our visual friend Jeremy O’Hara’s. Yes, Yes. You are very stunning in person, I have to tell everyone listening, you know, you see it on screen, but also in person, too.

 

Jodie Turner-Smith Thank you. Thank you. I feel very blessed right now. I want the like posts morning drop off, you know. Drove all the way out to Calabasas and back. I’m like, you know, get getting a child out the house at that time of morning.

 

Ira Madison III I want to talk about your series the Agency. I first of all, I loved the original series, the Bureau, the Friends series. I’m not finished with it yet, but I’ve been working through it. I had a friend who kept texting me maybe every few weeks. It was like, I love spy shows. You need to be watching this and you watch it, right?

 

Jodie Turner-Smith I watched the whole thing. I watched the whole thing. I think I took it in in like maybe like two weeks. Like, I was just like. Focused on this show. It was it’s a really good.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. And your character in this you, I believe you talked about in an interview like you learn Arabic for this role. Yes?

 

Yes. So. So I did it. I didn’t. I’m just I just learned all of my Arabic lines. But actually, for season two, which you might have heard, we’re getting a pickup for, I am going to actually be doing Arabic lessons to actually be learning the language, just to have it become easier in my mouth, not easier. And you’re never going to speak like a native speaker. You know those sounds. You know, you have to have the condition, your throat, your vocal cords to really make those with the accuracy and perfection of a native speaker by actually having that be your mother tongue. But I want to get as close as I can.

 

Ira Madison III Do you sort of enjoy taking on, like, you know, a task, sort of like learning a language or something for a new role? So that does that sort of help you get into a character more when you’re focused on sort of, you know, a project?

 

Jodie Turner-Smith I mean, it’s definitely a way in. I mean, I do love it. I love it like that. That part of me, that intellectual part of me loves that. But it it definitely is a way in because, you know, this is something that I’ve said before. I think that language and culture provide nuance, you know, and they they inform character in a way. But I also just I do love I do love that about this job is that you get to you get to learn something new. I think that’s one of the best things about it is the opportunity to learn something new and expand. And so it is an exciting part of it. I do really love that.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. And I have to imagine, too, you know, even for Anne Boleyn, which I loved, you’re learning almost a language for that, too. You know, I was speaking in the English that they speak during Henry. Yes. Yeah.

 

Jodie Turner-Smith And, you know, I mean, also one of the things I learned for Anne Boleyn I got to learn horse riding.

 

Ira Madison III You did?

 

Jodie Turner-Smith I got to do horse riding lessons. And that was really cool because, you know, that was something that I had always people always, for some reason, want me there. I get on a horse, they interact with the horses.

 

Ira Madison III Are you running into horses in your everyday life?

 

Jodie Turner-Smith I’m constantly running into horses, but this kind of this gave me the chance that I was like really able to, like, actually take lessons, to learn, you know, to try and galloping and and those things. And just like, you know, and also just like looking after a horse, you know, like brushing your horse, feeding your horse, like, you know, like cleaning out the shoes and doing, like, developing this, like, relationship with animal. After I did Ambling, I was like, okay, I’m ready to be a horse person.

 

Ira Madison III Too, to honestly, like, I have never written a horse and I’ve always loved the idea of it. But what was, I guess, maybe your biggest what’s one thing that like surprised you about learning, like how to ride a horse that you were, like, completely shocked, like when you were getting lessons.

 

Jodie Turner-Smith Galloping is way easier than trotting.

 

Ira Madison III Okay. Like, what’s the difference between those? By the ride surprised.

 

Jodie Turner-Smith Me because you know what? You know what I think is for some reason I feel like it’s I just think it’s easier to catch the rhythm when you’re galloping versus like, the awkwardness of of trotting and like, I don’t know. For me, like, that was something that I was like, okay, this is, this is all like not feeling very natural. And I also I don’t know because it’s, you know, it’s so funny because I, I went after I had like my, like a little few lessons doing that ballet, like maybe like a year after that, two years after that, I went horse riding with some friends in the Swiss Alps. And we were like galloping these horses through the mountains. And I was like, Who am I right now? And I’m telling you, the combination of like, I have a very intense dedication to Pilates and the small amount of horse riding lessons that I did somehow made me thinking that I was out here like some kind of, like, cowboy riding the Swiss Alps. I don’t know who I thought I was, but I want to tell you, it was a success and I didn’t have I was not in pain after like we were on those horses. We were out there for seven hours and I came back and I was not in pain. And that was the polarities of it all. So I was the thing that surprised me that I learned is that Pilates can actually be a gateway drug into horse riding because all of that inner thigh work. Okay, here’s we’re gonna set you up. Going to set you up to be comfortable on the back of a horse.

 

Ira Madison III First of all, that sounds beautiful and picturesque. Just. In the Swiss Alps. Horseback riding. I’ve been to Zermatt once, and I feel like all I did was read and eat food. So there was no horseback riding. But maybe not. So you’ve got to do it.

 

Jodie Turner-Smith I have some clients who live and who live in some of its and they have these beautiful horses. And we went riding and it was really incredible. There’s probably got to be horse people listening to this podcast like this. But who the hell does this? You know, I think it might just be also like, maybe I’m just a natural. Maybe I’m just a person who, like, is a natural with horses. And I just never unlocked this at this big old age of 38. I’m willing to accept that about myself.

 

Ira Madison III So, like, speaking of diving into, you know, like cultures and things for roles. You know, I feel like one of your biggest role, obviously, when you debuted was Queen in Swim. And this is, you know, you’re playing queen in this, you know, you’re playing an American character. What did that feel also like? You were doing work, you know, to sort of portray queen or did you already sort of feel, you know, integrated enough into who she was by just having lived in America for so many years?

 

Jodie Turner-Smith I mean, I think that I, Queen and Slim in many ways, and really for me, I think with many of the roles, I feel like I take so much from myself and who I am and my own experiences and kind of infuse them in some way into it. But I do feel like I had I was I knew this woman. I had seen this woman. I had in many ways been this woman, just in an emotional sense. Obviously, I have never actually killed a civil servant and gone on the run. But the experience of I think I had in living in America and. Being a black person, just kind of that that anxiety that that that fear surrounding law enforcement, that fear that you could you know, it could be your last moment if you have the wrong interaction. Seeing the things that we see unfold on the news, you know, all around us. I felt like I understood the story. You know, and. And so. So, yeah, I kind of felt like it wasn’t like there was this really long, far leap to make to like, be this person. From the minute that I read in the script. I really fell in love with the story and I fell in love with this woman. And I felt like I understood her. I felt like I could see her. And so I really, really wanted to play her.

 

Ira Madison III You know, come to think of it like this, there’s all this horse imagery in that movie. There is? Yes. Before you learned how to ride a horse.

 

Jodie Turner-Smith Yes. And I had sat on horses before that point, but I had never had lessons before that. And so it was actually kind of amazing and incredible that after that that I did go on to to have lessons. And and and, you know, it is and I think just the imagery as well because, you know, horses are such people afraid of horses as well. And they’ve also been used, I think, you know, they’ve also been used in a way that to be kind of like agents of violence as well in a way. And so that was what was so I think, radical about this imagery of like a black man on a horse and. But it was I think it was it was very interesting to then kind of. Get to do something where I sort of have a relationship with these animals.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. When I think back on Queensland too, I think about how gorgeous the world looked. And then, you know, obviously there’s so much of the sadness and despondency in the story, but do you have any lasting memories sort of from being on set where, you know, you sort of had fun making this film?

 

Jodie Turner-Smith You know, I really like to I mean, in many ways, you know, it was such a serious undertaking because I feel like there was so much at stake for everybody. I think the subject matter obviously was controversial. And it was it was it was almost all of our first feature. But it’s actually for Daniel Lena’s first feature, my first feature, Melina’s first feature. And as I’m sure you know and have heard and I’ve spoken to many black filmmakers about there, there’s always a sense of pressure because it’s like if it doesn’t work, you know, you’re sort of you I mean, just like being black and in the world and in any room you like, you’re carrying the weight of your whole race with you. If this does work, it’s going to affect other people’s abilities or your own ability to make it. So there was that kind of seriousness and sort of and then obviously the seriousness of the subject matter heaviness. But I like to take, you know, levity into everything that I do because I feel that, you know, it’s important to enjoy what we’re doing and to make it something that is enjoyable for everybody involved, you know, because I mean, that’s why I quit what I was doing before I became an actor because I wanted to enjoy my job and, you know, working with Daniel. Was probably the thing that made it the most incredible and light and fun for me because he’s just such a wonderful human being and he really looked after me and we spent a lot of time in that car together. And there’s a lot of jokes and jokes and a lot of love, a lot of, you know, so and so I just for me, it’s like I just have so many and I have so many, like, photos and and memories and just like images in my head of just like me and Daniel in those, like, in all those different locations in that car together, just like in making it light. And then I just think also like when you got a bunch of black people together, it’s it always inevitably turns into a good time.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Is speaking of, you know, Daniel Kaluuya as a leading man to work with, you know, so.

 

Jodie Turner-Smith He’s really quickly. Yes.

 

Ira Madison III Yes. There always we.

 

Jodie Turner-Smith Were in the one I.

 

Ira Madison III Love for Mike.

 

Jodie Turner-Smith After I got to Charlotte, New Orleans. I love that place so much. It is so magical. It is so like the spiritual energy there. I mean, the fact that we did it that like, I will it that was a dream to do it that so that as well it was a big part of that. The memory of it.

 

Ira Madison III Okay it’s weird but like I tell friends this all the time. When I when I first went to New Orleans, maybe I think 2018 for Southern Decadence, and you step into the city and you sort of just immediately feel something. Something.

 

Jodie Turner-Smith You feel something and it’s like, I don’t know. I mean, the spirits are there, they are there and they are communing and they are I’m just like, were the first time I ever went to New Orleans? I just cried. Like, I just felt so much. I just I just had to weep. I really New Orleans is very, very, very, very special. There’s so much that’s happened there. And the spirit of the people and the spirit of the people that have passed. I mean, all of that.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. I’m working with Daniel on that film, too. I think he’s like, he’s so funny, you know, sort of in person, but also on screen, you know, he’s sort of very, you know, he can be intense and sort of commanding. And I think about the a lot of the leading men that you’ve worked with, you know, Michael Fassbender in the agency and, you know, Colin Farrell and after gang are all sort of three leading men who I would describe as, you know, like they give intensity on screen. So I guess sort of like what’s it like acting opposite these sort of intense actors and sort of what have you taken away from working with them?

 

Jodie Turner-Smith You know, I. Definitely there’s been, I feel a number one, I feel I’ve been so fortunate to get to stand in scenes with these guys and work with them and feel respected by them and be given their energy and have them old space for me in the scene. You know, I find that a lot a lot of them, most of them are so kind and that has been like the biggest for me. I feel like take away. I mean, you like starting with Daniel. It’s like, you know, I say this about tons of people in our business, but he really is a true number one. He’s he’s a leader, you know, And and in that he really sets a tone of kindness and respect. And you know, I felt I’ve always you know, those especially I mean those those three that you mentioned, I’ve always felt so looked after and taken care of by them. It’s like, yeah, they, they are playing these intense characters, but they’re really kind and generous scene partners. And none of them have ever made me feel like I didn’t belong there, right there with them. And so that for me, who has what that’s given me to take away, it’s a really it’s also to be that for other people you know like is really important to hold space for the person that you’re doing a scene with. There are some actors you work with and it’s like they’re in a scene by themselves. You know what I mean. Let me in. You know what I mean? But these guys, they really are. You know, it’s like I’m in this scene and I’m just. It’s alive. Because I’m also just curious as to what’s going to happen in front of me the whole time. You know what I mean? And also, just like, you know, they challenge you. I feel like I’ve been so fortunate as well to be constantly working with people that at the end of the day, I’m always saying to myself, don’t be the weak link. You know, like they they’re calling me up to a higher place to be better. I’m getting to learn from them. Like, I’m just like I’m getting to be a student, you know? And, and so for me, I don’t know. I mean, these guys, I mean, they’re just they’re just absolute legends. Colleen was such a dream to work with. It was just like and then. And then it’s also like this thing where you see how much they love what they’re doing. None of those guys. Michael. My God. This is not just like, this is a job. And I’m just taking a box, you know, because they’re just like that, too, you know that. You get the sense that, okay, you’re working. No, it’s like you’re getting to watch. It’s like watching a painter or a musician or something where you’re just like, what are they going to do? Like, how do you know this? I don’t know. I don’t know how you explain or borrow talent, but these guys.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, I mean, you also talked at an interview, too, I think, about working with, you know, Richard Gere on the show, too. And, you know, like you you are you didn’t bring out Chicago with have and I’m like, is it hard to, like not bring up like an iconic role of like, previous actors you’re working with? Like, do you want to talk to them about it on set?

 

Jodie Turner-Smith Well, the thing is with Richard is because Richard and I, we don’t we didn’t have any scenes together in the first season of the agency. And so so it’s a little bit different when it’s like, okay, I just kind of like we got to when we all got together as a cast and I got to like speak to him. I didn’t, I didn’t. But, but when you get to like, do something, you know, like Michael and I, we play, you know, we’re we’re lovers in this show. Do you know what I mean? So it’s like and even like, with like, I’m the kind of person, though, I’m like, I’m going to tell somebody when I, like, really love them. I mean, Richard’s just like, he’s just a particular personality and I only really have one real interaction with him. So I didn’t get to be like, my God, I loved you in this. But I mean, I’m definitely that person who’s going to be like, my God, I loved you in this. And like, so I mean, like, for example, with Michael, you know, I absolutely he did this movie called Frank.

 

Ira Madison III Yes.

 

Jodie Turner-Smith Which which I absolutely loved. You know what he with the mask. That’s not going to be right as it’s called. I think I might. I’m totally blank.

 

Ira Madison III Yes. Yes, Frank. It was this sort of like this big, like puppet.

 

Jodie Turner-Smith Yes, it’s puppet.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah.

 

Jodie Turner-Smith my God. And, you know, I mean, I. Look, I. I think I’m definitely a person who’s like, I’m going to tell somebody when I love them, you know? And so I, you know, I told Michael, I told Daniel, you know, I told Colleen, like know I’m a huge fan. I love I love this. I love that. Like, I asked them questions about their process, about it. But I feel like you can really do that when somebody is a scene partner with you. But like Richard and I, we didn’t get to be seen as yet.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Of speaking of, like, things you love, I read another interview, too, where you talked about how much you love the film Top Gun. And I want to know, like, what other like, like film or like, show or something. Like what? People really be surprised that you watch all the time like you’re obsessed with. And also, what’s it about? Top Gun.

 

Jodie Turner-Smith But is Top Gun so surprising? It’s one of the greatest movies ever. Okay. First of all.

 

Ira Madison III I mean, I love Tom Cruise also. I my God.

 

Jodie Turner-Smith I love Tom Cruise. Yeah. Tom, if you’re listening, I love you so much. Please, can we work together?

 

Ira Madison III I need you at a Mission Impossible movie. I know that. I know that they’re not over like Dead reckoning, like he’s giving you finale. But he will keep making those movie a star. He does.

 

Jodie Turner-Smith Let me tell you. Okay, Let me tell you, first of all, I wanted to be in this Mission Impossible. 7/8 so.

 

Ira Madison III Bad.

 

Jodie Turner-Smith I had I remember I had a meeting with McHugh, Right. We had this vision together, and I was like, So how’s we do a direct? I mean, we ended up we were in this meeting for four hours just chatting, chatting, which is we got on like a house on fire. Okay. And then they asked me to come to London to test him. And I was at Burning Man because I had just gotten married and we went to Burning Man. It was like it was burning me. And I was pregnant and nobody’s pregnant. And I was at Burning Man and I got a sub chorionic blade, which is basic, they call it that. It’s basically it’s a bleed that happens when you’re pregnant, but it’s outside of the pregnancy. But you don’t know this unless you look inside. You know what I mean? All I know is I’m standing in front of the RV and suddenly I feel blood running down my legs. And I was so afraid and so frightened. And, you know, my, my, my ex and I, we were just like both. I was supposed to go get on a plane and fly to London. And I decided, you know, I wrote this long email to McCue and I said, I can’t come, you know, I’m pregnant. And, you know, at the time I wasn’t telling anybody I was pregnant because this is really, really bizarre thing where as a woman, you really can’t tell people that you’re pregnant because they might discriminate against you, even though it’s not illegal to do it, it still happens. And so you’re like, I’m not going to tell anybody that I’m pregnant because it could interfere with me getting this job. And it’s not supposed to, but it could. And I was like, I’m pregnant, you know? And this is the most important production I’m ever going to be a part of. And so I can’t come and test for this movie. And I always think about that because while I’m glad it happened the way that it did, like it was definitely that was supposed to happen for me because I got to do some really amazing things in between that that I wouldn’t have been able to do because I would have been filming Mission Impossible seven and eight for 15 years. But I always think about that sliding doors moment to be like, What if I had been in Mission Impossible and gotten to do that and I could top my dream?

 

Ira Madison III I know I lead also with like the ladies of the horseback riding. I feel like you already have like be sort of like athletic prowess to be in one of those films. Like. Like you’d, like, eat up the fight choreography.

 

Jodie Turner-Smith I’m so ready. Are you kidding me? Ready? I’m so ready. Put me on the wires. Let me kick somebody’s head off. You know what I mean? I’m ready for what I’ve already done. I’ve done several different jobs where I had to have, you know, firearms training. Like, I’m ready.

 

Ira Madison III Okay. Also, you at Burning Man for, you know, your right after the wedding. And that what I look at here is the grab. I’m always like Jodi is always in some, like fabulous location. I like great locations for vacations. I mean, you were just on Jimmy Fallon to talking about how like you two were joy, like you met doing Pilates together in Jamaica. Like, what is your, like, travel schedule? Are you going to write a travel book or something? Like, I just always loving your Instagram posts.

 

Jodie Turner-Smith Listen, you know what? I do love to travel. And I think, you know, I consider myself a citizen of the world and I think we should see the world. Obviously, I have the privilege of being able to travel around and move around and stuff like that. You know, we were actually Jimmy and I met doing yoga, and those are yoga. Yes, We were at Goldeneye, which is one of my favorite places to go to Jamaica. I mean, listen, I work really, really, really hard. And so when it’s time for me to, like, get some holiday in, I’m going to go there. I’m going to I’m going to holiday. I’m going to holiday really hard.

 

Ira Madison III Because what’s your favorite place you’ve been to and like, where do you still want to go that you haven’t been to?

 

Jodie Turner-Smith Well, Jamaica is my favorite place to go. I mean, I’m Jamaican. I feel the most at home there and I feel anywhere in the entire world. It’s a beautiful place. The energy there, the people, the food. I just love Jamaica. I still want to go. I want to go to the Maldives. I’ve never been to Brazil. I want to go to Brazil. I want to go to Bali. And I still really need to head up South America. There’s so many things I need. I want to go to Peru. I mean, I feel like I’ve only scratched the surface this summer because I was working in London and I really got to that’s the other thing, You know, living in L.A., which is so far from everything in the world, it’s so difficult except for the things that are on this side. Like it’s much closer to, obviously, if you want to go Hawaii, because it definitely goes to Japan than when I’m in London. But I loved by the way, I love Japan. I got to go to Japan and Korea for the first time last year.

 

Ira Madison III My friend is in Japan right now. Like posting photos in Tokyo. And another. And another friend was there two weeks ago. And I just. I’m getting angry at seeing friends constantly in Tokyo. Like, I need to go.

 

Jodie Turner-Smith You need to go to Tokyo. Tokyo is everything and you need to go to Seoul as well.

 

Ira Madison III Okay.

 

Jodie Turner-Smith Korea is definitely like I think right now my favorite my favorites is Jamaica. And then just like right now, last year was like, I felt like I was having like my my Asia moment. And then I did Thailand. I did Korea. I did Japan. It was like I really was finally getting to go east and experience that. And I was obsessed. And where else have I? Was I?

 

Ira Madison III Well, you said South America, too. I went to I went to Cartagena for the first time last year and also Bogota. So like Colombia is gorgeous.

 

Jodie Turner-Smith I’ve heard Colombia is gorgeous. You know, my best friend is from El Salvador. I need to go there. You know, it’s like there’s so many incredible places in this world and it’s like, it is a definitely a privilege to be able to travel and say like, I’m going to go here. I love seeing I love seeing those people on Instagram that show you like how affordable it could be to travel to different places. I love looking at that stuff too, because it’s actually more accessible than we know. But it’s like, I don’t know. But also I feel like from America it is so expensive to buy plane tickets from America.

 

Ira Madison III I mean, it’s expensive to fly anywhere in America. First of all.

 

Jodie Turner-Smith It’s crazy like it’s cheaper in Europe to fly between countries than it is in America, to fly between states. What are we doing?

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Another thing I want to ask, too, is, you know, as a as a black woman, too, you know, you get to like, you know, you could just sort of, like, play with, like, your fashion and, like, hairstyles in different movies, you know, in a way that, you know, the white girls don’t get to do. And do you have like favorite sort of like styles or look or hair as you’ve done in like a project? Because I want to tell you mine for yours is I love this sort of like hair look you had in Murder mystery to like. It was like I had never seen you like that before. First of all, that movie is a gag. I watched both of them sort of in the same day during like a weekend when I was sick once. And I was like, I actually love these movies.

 

Jodie Turner-Smith Baby. Let me tell you how that was one of the best experiences I’ve ever had in my life. On the set was making that movie. First of all, Adam Sandler and Jennifer Aniston, those two really know how to work. They’ve cracked it. We found that in Paris and Hawaii. Okay. It was it was giving luxe It was giving luxury. It was giving every day. I’m laughing on set. It was giving Adam Sandler, like everybody around him, like these are his people. For years and years and years. He’s working with his family tonight. I mean, he’s working with lifelong friends. It’s like him and Jennifer Aniston. Their little thing they got going on is so hilarious. I hope I said this offer to this movie, but I hope they keep doing that until the old Zimmer frames. And Mike’s still doing that because, like, wow, I think it’s hilarious and it’s really fun. And I’m begging them. I’m like, Did the Countess really die? Like, can I please be a vitamin? But in terms of hair, so I always, you know, hair. I fight for these hairstyles. Okay? Because the thing is, is people don’t ever really Beyonce. They only believe what they’ve seen a lot of times. So I have to kind of like I’m always having to like, you know, I invest in the hair. I come with the hair and I’m like, look at this vision. See this vision? That hair that I did for the movie was also it’s one of my favorite house has ever done. The thing is, it’s like everybody always they’re like, short hair. They want me with short hair. They want me to short hair. I have to, like, bang people like. Like, right, right now I’m, like, trying to grow my hair out. I’m like, I have to beg them to let me grow my hair out. And I’m hoping. And it’s like even like because obviously on my show, even like on the agency, you know, I was like, me and, and Joe, right. Went back and forth cause I was just like, I wanted to have long hair. And that wasn’t the vision that he had for the character. And I was like, I had just come from doing Tron where my head was. They wanted me to cut all my hair off and it was bleached blond, so I was like bleaching my hair blond every two weeks and shaving my head. And I was just like, I’m not doing this anymore. I want to have longer hair. And then I wanted to have hair like what I have right now. You see, I got these locs right now.

 

Ira Madison III Yes.

 

Jodie Turner-Smith And what’s so funny is when I turned up to the the London premiere of the agency on a line bike, by the way, because the traffic was so bad that I got out of my my car and hired a line bike because it was three minutes on the bike and 15 minutes per car. And I’m on I’m in this Nancy Jagger mini dress, this like blazer, mini dress with Louboutin shoes on pedaling to my apartment, and I show up with this hair and Grant Heslov sees me and he’s like, This hair is amazing. Why don’t we do this hair for Samia? And I was like. I was like, I tried. I loved Joe Wright so much, but he did not want to let me have long hair. And I was like, You’re wrong about this. I’m telling you, you’re wrong about this. But now it’s beautiful what we did. I’m glad. But to my favorite hair right now is like, I’m ready for length. Okay, I’m ready for length. Okay. So I want the world to see me with some length. Okay. It’s time. So that I can do that hair again.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. They’ll see you with length on some vacation, I’m sure. And when you do, you know your next vacation photo shoot?

 

Jodie Turner-Smith People are really attached to me. They’re very attached. Yeah, because even I’ll have the long hair, they’ll see it, I’ll show them pictures of me, and they’re still like, But can you, you know, can you be bald? And I’m like, okay, I can. It looks good, too. But come on, let’s think outside the box.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Jodie, thank you so much for being here today. Thank you. And I’ve also the journey to get to that premiere. So you are ready for Mission Impossible? We got to run. We got to get you. We got to get you and Tom on screen together. I would.

 

Jodie Turner-Smith I I’m ready. Listen, I’m a problem solver. I’m a planner. I was in the back of that car looking at that traffic I got on. I was I had a mistake. How long in the car? How long on the bike? What about. I’ve got video as well me on that line. But I’ll send it to you.

 

Ira Madison III Please do.

 

Jodie Turner-Smith I’m on bike riding in my in my in my Christian Christian Louboutin.

 

Ira Madison III And when we’re back I’m rejoined by Louis and Cat to discuss best of lists in 2020 for. The year is winding down, which means our time lines are filling up. What? Everyone’s best of lists. There’s best of movies, best of TV, best of memes, best of style, even best of L.A. icons, which includes Lisa Rinna. So obviously. There’s some freestyle going on with these lists. So we’re going to dive into just like the concept of best of lists. Do you make them?

 

Louis Virtel I used to once upon a time, be quite obsessive about it. I actually don’t have a complete movie list yet because there’s like 3 or 4 I haven’t I have yet to see. I haven’t seen Queer, for example, but for a certain kind of brain. And I’m going to say, generally speaking, more men than women, it satisfies an urge to organize feelings in the brain in a way that feels like comprehensive and feels like, you know, you’re just you’re just in charge of everything you feel. I don’t know. Whereas I feel like women are like, way like you’re likely to be like, I don’t like ranking things. That doesn’t do anything for me.

 

Ira Madison III Well, what do you think?

 

Cat Cohen I’m today I’m the designated woman on the board. I feel like in my mind, the year still starts and ends with the school year. So I’m like, my year is not over. Don’t make me choose. I go, let me go have my. I’m not choosing it. I go when the summertime ends and it’s back to school. That’s when there’s a new year. What do you think?

 

Louis Virtel If you’re signing a yearbook, then the year. Then the year is over. Yeah.

 

Cat Cohen And then I’ll tell you my favorite movies, but give me a second.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. I honestly feel the same way because, you know, I’m one of the. One of the newsletter girls. I have one. And I feel like I made a best of music list. My favorite songs of 2024. Because you’re listening to music throughout the year. Like, you know, you have easy access to it by the time the year is up. You’ve listened to what you’ve listened to. You know, so you know what your best up is for that. But for movies, for instance, right. You know, there’s there’s movies that have come out or the movies that are still coming out towards the end of the year that are 2024 movies or whatever. But I haven’t seen them all yet, you know? So it’s like, yeah, we’re just going harder to me to try it like you said. Louis You haven’t seen Queer yet, but it’s like everyone’s loving, like the Brutalist and things like that. And I feel like I don’t want to make a best of list if I have not seen something yet that might be on there.

 

Louis Virtel Right? There’s a very short window at the end of the year where you get these movies that will certainly be eligible for lists like that. So it just that’s a bit unfortunate. That said, I am actually I’ve decided a huge fan of things like Apple Music Rewind and Spotify wrapped because for one thing, it’s a benign thing to share. Like you can’t really be mad at anybody for whatever they share. But secondly, there is a bit of vulnerability to it. It’s like, why do you know? It’s like, What are you doing with yourself when you are by yourself? Like.

 

Cat Cohen Who’s keeping you company?

 

Louis Virtel Yes, precisely. Who’s your imaginary friend, basically? And looking back, I was like, wow. I guess Kacey Musgraves is like somebody I must connect with. I noticed on my list that the artists I listen to most are also the people who I would just queue up their entire catalog on shuffle. And I think that means I’m dialed into them on a parasocial friend level, you know what I mean? It was her and then PJ Harvey mysteriously, who is, you know, a very erratic, strange artistic performer. I don’t know what it is I connect with about about her other than she has a fabulous voice and does a fabulous songwriter.

 

Cat Cohen You know what? Number one. And she might have been number one last year. You know her. You love her. You expect her. It’s Ms.. Taylor Swift.

 

Louis Virtel Oh, you are a Swifty? I don’t know that I knew that about you.

 

Cat Cohen I’m a big swifty. You know, I’m a Texas girl. And so me at 15, you know, singing teardrops on my guitar, like that’s where it began.

 

Louis Virtel I think that’s still among her best stuff. I love teardrops on my guitar. I tend to be fearless. Era Taylor Swift where it was your last year. Gosh, pop songs. But also she maintained a singer songwriter vibe. It was specifically from her point of view.

 

Cat Cohen There’s something about the way the street looks when it just rains. Taylor said that?

 

Louis Virtel Yes, I love that song. That’s one of my favorite songs.

 

Cat Cohen Making  you want, it’s such a good song. I’m a huge, fearless hat as well.

 

Ira Madison III I’m a I’m a reputation girl.

 

Cat Cohen That’s my number one is.

 

Ira Madison III That’s my. That’s my number. Like I just say, I have one. So that was my reputation.

 

Cat Cohen Yes. That’s a huge that’s one of Pat Regan’s favorite songs. I want to be Endgame.

 

Ira Madison III So you’re also coming.

 

Louis Virtel On, right? You’re a really good singer. Anyway.

 

Cat Cohen Thank you so much.

 

Ira Madison III Your album’s out too.

 

Cat Cohen Shout out. You guys please stream my album. It’s called Overdressed. It’s really good.

 

Ira Madison III So I am looking at my top artists. Obviously, the rapped comes out and it tells you you’re top artists, but you can also look go to stats for spotify.com, which is a little bit scarier.

 

Cat Cohen Oh wait Im going to do that.

 

Ira Madison III You your top artists in the last 12 months and my number one this came out on the rap was was Beyoncé. Okay. I’ve been cover Minaj threes Ariana Grande Day four Charli XCX six five is Megan thee stallion. Now the Spotify rap had Billie Eilish and Kali Uchis up there instead of Nicki Minaj and Megan because they weighed it differently throughout the year. But for the top 12 here, Taylor’s my number six artist of the past 12 months. So close. Serena Carpenter is eight, Flo is seven, SZA is ten.

 

Louis Virtel Was the Beyoncé concentration largely Cowboy? Carter? Are you going back in time?

 

Ira Madison III Honestly, I think it is Cowboy Carter because for the last 12 months, Beyonce is number one. For the past six months, Beyonce is listed as number of three. But for the last four weeks, Beyonce is at number ten. So I think it was a largely me listening to Cowboy Carter for the last four weeks. Girl, what was I doing last four weeks with Flo at number one, Kendrick Lamar at two, Blondie at three hits for Miles Davis.

 

Louis Virtel As far as excuse me about a Kendrick Lamar has a song where it’s samples. Debbie Deb when I hear music what is that song label up. Excuse me. Okay. You wanted the gay people to hear you. Well, I think that’s. That’s a fucking good song.

 

Ira Madison III That is a perfect beat.

 

Cat Cohen Another big album for me. Fontaines, D.C.. Do you guys like them? This album, Romance.

 

Ira Madison III I know. I love them.

 

Louis Virtel I know nothing.

 

Cat Cohen I’m a huge part of my year and my life really good. And they’re Irish.

 

Ira Madison III How are they? Well, yeah. You know.

 

Cat Cohen Just like our friend Paul.

 

Ira Madison III Loved the Irish.

 

Cat Cohen Accent.

 

Louis Virtel This is an original recipe. Keep it thing, IRA. Once upon a time, used to do accents to the horror of viewers, including myself. My mom would be like this. Is he really doing that? And, you know. And now it’s back.

 

Ira Madison III I beat you out because I am recording my audiobook for my Essex O.

 

Cat Cohen Exciting.

 

Ira Madison III This week. Tomorrow.

 

Cat Cohen My God.

 

Ira Madison III Thursday and Friday. I am. And thank you. I’m in the stew. All day and I’m recording the audiobook and I’m planning to do some like, meanings of Mariah kind of shit that she’s in her audiobook. Okay. There’s gonna be acents there’s gonna be getting some singing. It’s a show

 

Louis Virtel He’s fucking Bob Hoskins with his like, dialects from all over the fucking place.

 

Cat Cohen How long? I’m so curious. How long each day are you just reading the book?  How long is it going to take?

 

Ira Madison III 10a-5p are the days.

 

Louis Virtel How many days?

 

Ira Madison III Three.

 

Louis Virtel Okay. All right.

 

Cat Cohen And just like that. Isn’t that what you’re doing in the beginning? Yeah.

 

Ira Madison III I mean, you know, I’m going to stop over my dead husband, and I do live in the West Village like Harry, so.

 

Cat Cohen Exactly.

 

Louis Virtel And just like that, definitely my favorite docu series. It could not be true to life. It’s everybody’s life. No matter where you are.

 

Cat Cohen New York. It’s just so I’m always in a big, big train station restaurant.

 

Ira Madison III Speaking of best of 2024, bring that show back because nothing, nothing was better in life than when I think we were all collectively watching. And just like that, each night.

 

Cat Cohen I need a comedy concert. I need to crave a crave. I walked by them shooting it and I was like, Tell me everything. But they told me to move and cross the street.

 

Ira Madison III Get out of here. The women are always outside of Carrie Street when you pass by it. They’re always together, taking photos, having their boyfriends take photos of them. I love like I passed by Sunday because I was going to brunch. And I love when you see a group of like four women, they’re getting a photo in front of it because, you know, this friend group is always having hot debates about who’s who.

 

Cat Cohen My God. Who are you guys?

 

Louis Virtel I think I yeah, definitely.

 

Cat Cohen I’m recording the book.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah, precisely. I think I’m probably a Miranda mostly, but I’ve got a little bit of comic delivery of a Samantha, I think.

 

Cat Cohen Totally, honey.

 

Ira Madison III Yes. Yeah.

 

Louis Virtel You’ve got to be.

 

Ira Madison III A great PR person.

 

Cat Cohen I think I got. I got a I got a Samantha vibe, maybe a little Miranda as well. Maybe a little Carrie Not a bit. Not any. Charlotte And that’s that’s okay.

 

Louis Virtel I do run into Charlotte every once in a while. I can think of people in my friend group who qualify. Is that just like a kind of Pollyanna deer in headlights kind of quality to them? Couldn’t be me, but.

 

Ira Madison III Well, I have a lot of Charlotte’s in my life here in New York. And I actually would posit the thing that really makes people the Charlotte is not like sort of like the Pollyanna thing because like, would you watch the show? She’s having sex yet? Yes. Yes. She’s fucking people. Right. And she’s I think she’s really just a bit more like she’s more about the social contract. She’s very demure in a sense that, like, she believes that men should act this way, women should act this way. You know, she has rules for dating, you know, very much like your friends who are very committed to sort of like the act of this is how we should all be acting when we’re dating and interacting with each other. Or like this house should act at restaurants, you know, like be polite in this way. Like those are the Charlotte’s. Yeah. The busybodies.

 

Louis Virtel I do think that that’s a bit Miranda too. But you’re right. Like, I think she’s the most sort of restrictive.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, she’s restrictive. And Miranda’s more like complaining about it. Yeah.

 

Cat Cohen Relatable.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah.

 

Cat Cohen Do you guys think will be able to use the word demure anytime soon?

 

Louis Virtel No, it’s very illegal. You actually can be strangled first.

 

Cat Cohen It’s a shame. It’s such a great, great word. But that’s why it popped off, I guess, at the end of the day.

 

Ira Madison III Well, the now we just say demure.

 

Cat Cohen Then your is very good.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah.

 

Cat Cohen I really need her dog on my lap immediately now, little dog.

 

Louis Virtel She’s a cutesy dog.

 

Cat Cohen She has the smallest dog I’ve ever seen with my eyes through my phone. Never met. Never met the dog. But I’m on that. It’s a really sweet, sweet, sweet.

 

Ira Madison III I was at the metrograph yesterday and in the bathroom they have a big striptease poster and I was just like, She’s done it all for us.

 

Cat Cohen She it’s amazing.

 

Ira Madison III She stripped, she’s given us the substance. She like fucking G.I. Jane, like she was the US Army girl. And she’s directly responsible for Chris Rock getting slapped because of the G.I. Jane joke at the Oscars.

 

Cat Cohen I was like, How.

 

Ira Madison III Do like Demi Moore is? She is pop culture.

 

Louis Virtel But I just want to say about that moment again, the coolest part of The Slap was that Chris Rock was going so hard on a mid-nineties joke. I believe we should like absolutely waterboard Gen Z with our old references. I absolutely think they need to sit through it and just learn.

 

Ira Madison III I agree. I have been thinking about it recently just because I mean, there was a slap, the slap just because there was a report that, like Chris Rock was at a billionaire’s house doing a joke. And it was like, you know, I think we’re gonna start putting all the Mexicans on spaceships. And then he saw someone recording and he was like, You’re weren’t supposed to be recording me. And he stormed out. And now people are like, Chris, People are like, Will Smith should have slapped him. But my thing is we’re celebrating Luigi, you know, shooting up people. You know, he’s running through Yoshi’s world with that gun. Okay. And we were mad that a man defended his wife with a slap. I mean, I feel like that’s what we all want a man to do. Well, good for men, What are they good for? And then it’s at bat.

 

Louis Virtel Do you know what you just reminded me of? MTV’s The Blame game where two exes break up, and then they have lawyers defend each other, and then one of them wins at the end. You could have been on that show. You could have defended the, I guess, man. Sorry. You you’re the villain.

 

Ira Madison III But honestly, I love nothing more than a devil’s advocate and an argument. Okay. Well, sometimes if you’re like at a bar with a friend and just people are going hard, in one way, I will be like, well, now think about it this way. It’s fun. But I always point out that I am devil’s advocate and I let people know. You know, like, I break the fourth wall.

 

Cat Cohen Okay. Okay. I accept.

 

Louis Virtel Okay. Speaking of television, though, do we have favorite television of the year? We’d like to discuss diplomat. Well, let me say this. I have a late breaking one. I did like the diplomat. Have you seen black doves yet?

 

Cat Cohen No, I’m excited for that.

 

Ira Madison III No. Someone just sent me a text the other day and was like, you need to be watching Black does. And then, of course, the the universe was listening to me. And when I got on the subway, I saw this just big roseburn poster. It said Black.

 

Louis Virtel It’s Keira Knightley. But they are the same.

 

Cat Cohen They’re. They’re exactly the same. That’s a really good 1 to 1, right?

 

Louis Virtel No, it’s like Kate Bush and Mary Steenburgen. And we made one person and then the zygote split and that’s what happened.

 

Cat Cohen Wow.

 

Louis Virtel This it’s a spy show. To be honest, if I went through the plot of it, you’d kind of be like, that sounds like any spy show. But honestly, it’s the acting that’s amazing. And you’ve got Knightley, who, by the way, Hardstand can’t think of a time I didn’t love her, loves her. And that is a wacky movie about psychology, a dangerous method where she plays like the repressed lady patient with Michael Fassbender, Lockjaw and Anna Karenina. Here she is, Pallin around with Ben Whishaw, who we just put in Spy, thinks there’s no reason why we just put him in spy things. They are great together. And then Sarah Lancashire they work for and she if you saw that TV show about Julia Child from a couple of years ago, she played Julia Child on that and was spectacular.

 

Cat Cohen She’s very good in that.

 

Ira Madison III Let me say Ben Whishaw good in spy things, but I need him in more gay things. But that’s the movie. We’re we’re sorry.

 

Cat Cohen It was that last year.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, it was last year. What we’re doing is a letter box shirt. Like if I were adding newer things to it, like Passages is right up there. That is one of the hottest movies I’ve seen in my life.

 

Louis Virtel Oh don’t worry. By the way, he has some gay good times in this, too. And you’re definitely seeing it, by the way, from the same angle, if you remember Passages.

 

Cat Cohen I can never forgot. Yeah.

 

Ira Madison III Okay. Well, there’s some fellow traveling going on.

 

Louis Virtel If you will.

 

Ira Madison III Okay.

 

Louis Virtel God. God’s own country also includes the Uk.

 

Cat Cohen You know what show I love?

 

Louis Virtel What? What?

 

Cat Cohen I love the show. Bad Sisters. Do you guys watch that?

 

Ira Madison III Yeah.

 

Louis Virtel So the entire soundtrack is by PJ Harvey, who I just mentioned. Yes.

 

Cat Cohen I didn’t know. That makes sense. It’s very good.

 

Louis Virtel I love Sharon Horgan.

 

Cat Cohen Anything she touches, I’m like, You’re a genius.

 

Ira Madison III I, first of all, was drawn in just by the poster because I was like, It’s giving Desperate Housewives totally a bitch with a eyepatch. I mean.

 

Cat Cohen Yeah, she could.

 

Louis Virtel L Driver and kill Bill.

 

Ira Madison III Yes. Yes. The show is so fun. Yeah. And also the way I hate that husband in season one. And then you’re just like, get his ass.

 

Cat Cohen And then I kind of was like, how are they going to do season two? But I’m completely hooked. And I was actually gasping at the most recent episode. So I’m excited.

 

Ira Madison III I just got my degree too. But it’s good. The secret is Apple TV, once you die, then really knows.

 

Cat Cohen I know all you know, I’m a huge morning show.

 

Ira Madison III I mean, this is waiting for the morning show to come back. Okay. I’m that is what I need.

 

Louis Virtel And that show is like Moonraker level crazy The way it is.

 

Cat Cohen On her in her apartment is makes me laugh so much. It’s just like in this glass box being like.

 

Ira Madison III Let’s figure Moonraker then going to fucking space and the rockets.

 

Cat Cohen And sanity.

 

Ira Madison III And the fact that there was the rumor that, you know, Jennifer Aniston of Reese Witherspoon were feuding because it was like you would watch the show and they were never in scenes together.

 

Louis Virtel At all. I love that vibe. I love sussing out what the hell is happening during the making of a television show. The old Julianna margulies. Archie Panjabi.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Good wife. Just split screening at a bar. That is beautiful to me. And if you like, the one scene they shared was like they were talking in a doorway.

 

Louis Virtel Right? Yeah. Well, obviously, Sarah Jessica Parker. Kim Cattrall is the most famous one, but yes.

 

Cat Cohen My God, that’s so sad.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah.

 

Louis Virtel And yet.

 

Cat Cohen Also. I don’t think so.

 

Louis Virtel No, it’s just it’s. Sort of make sense. I think it sort of makes sense. Yeah.

 

Cat Cohen Two immense talents.

 

Louis Virtel Quite. I would watch them in any thing, literally.

 

Cat Cohen What are the other big shows of this year.

 

Louis Virtel Among reality TV? Do we agree with the Emmys that The Traitors was the reality TV we cherished most?

 

Cat Cohen I love the traitors.

 

Ira Madison III I love the traitors. Obviously, anything in the selling franchise.

 

Cat Cohen My God.

 

Ira Madison III Fantastic. I can’t wait for selling the city. Just like sell every sell. Every selling.

 

Cat Cohen The O.C. is is the craziest one of them all.

 

Ira Madison III Yes. Those people are demented.

 

Cat Cohen That Alex Hall with Tyler. I could not stop. I was like.

 

Ira Madison III That. Real Housewives of Salt Lake City is my favorite reality show this year.

 

Cat Cohen It’s just I need to get colder.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, this season is fantastic.

 

Cat Cohen So do you all know that I watched all 11 seasons of Vanderpump this year because I’d never seen it before.

 

Louis Virtel I cannot believe it’s 11 seasons.

 

Ira Madison III And I watched.

 

Cat Cohen Can you ever watch all Yeah. It’s crazy behavior.

 

Louis Virtel No, but I have a friend who was never into any housewives or anything and started watching Vanderpump Rules and then claimed immediately it was one of the greatest television series he had ever seen. So there must be something deeply addicting about it.

 

Cat Cohen It’s it’s the greatest gift I’ve given myself was to watch that.

 

Ira Madison III There’s like a.

 

Louis Virtel Tear in your eye in a way where I’m like, There’s something solemn going on here. Yeah.

 

Cat Cohen I really got to know that, you know, you get to know the characters and then they leave you and you go down. They always leave.

 

Louis Virtel But that is how I felt when I originally watched Jersey Shore, when that show aired. And then the season was over and there weren’t too many episodes of it, right? I remember actually actively missing them because there aren’t anybody like that in your life.

 

Ira Madison III No. You know, I’m going to talk about roles. If you love that. The Valley, it’s fucking amazing.

 

Cat Cohen I watched it all.

 

Ira Madison III Okay. Iconic. Thank you. I cannot wait for season two.

 

Cat Cohen I just saw that Britney and Zach were doing a trivia night at City Winery, and I couldn’t go, but I was like, Next time where we have to go.

 

Ira Madison III I’ll go with you. Is that so? No. What is that? That’s secret Wives.

 

Louis Virtel Secret Wives?

 

Ira Madison III The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. The Valley is a spinoff of Vanderpump Rules for some of the original cast. Members got homes in the Valley.

 

Cat Cohen And they have now so much existential dread that it’s like the craziest thing. But you know the best.

 

Ira Madison III They have kids and they’re still monsters.

 

Cat Cohen Last thing I’ll say, the last thing I’ll say about it is when Jessie comes in in the beanie saying his he’s he’s dead to himself and he’s changed. That’s the best scene of I’ve seen.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Fantastic show. And lastly, I just think that like any spy shit for me, you know, it’s like, this is I it taken me a while to get back and do scripted TV because I, like, needed something like. Like I just did reality TV while I was book writing specifically because I couldn’t be smart, you know? Totally. But now everything I’m back into is spy shit. You know, like we. I interviewed Sherry about the agency. Obviously. I love that. The Day of the Jackal. Eddie Redmayne. I just got into that, too. It’s good.

 

Louis Virtel Also, I mean, I’m familiar with the old Day of the Jackal, but Eddie Redmayne in a spy thing is an unusual fit that I actually support. Not fewer goofy characters from him. Let’s get the serious British thing going again.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Interior Chinatown is great too.

 

Cat Cohen That’s good. Yeah. Did you All I like done. Presumed innocent. Did you know what?

 

Louis Virtel Yes. I thought the performances were great. And I like how the ending of it. You sort of thought you were going to get the ending from the original movie. I don’t know if you’re familiar with that one. And then it turned into something else. But we on this show have a whole routine where I say the words Ruth Negga and then IRA and you call me.

 

Ira Madison III See, that’s how it works.

 

Louis Virtel We really explain the bit while we’re doing it, but now I’m so traumatized by this bit that I have to talk. I have to announce it’s occurring before we do it.

 

Ira Madison III Right?

 

Cat Cohen Of course. Of course. I was fabulous.

 

Ira Madison III It was real serious. And yeah.

 

Cat Cohen Yeah, I thought that was a fun one.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. I mean.

 

Cat Cohen Gaby Beans. Are you familiar with her work? Amazing. Using actor. I just saw them in the Romeo and Juliet revival or whatever, and they played, like, seven roles and killed it. And then in Presumed Innocent, they come in with an amazing Bob. Really?

 

Louis Virtel Right. Yes, of course. Of course. Yeah. That Romeo and Juliet with Rachel Zegler.

 

Cat Cohen With the young. With the young? Yeah.

 

Ira Madison III Got it. Yeah. And the heart.

 

Cat Cohen And he did an amazing job of lifting his arms up and doing a pull up while kissing her. It was really cool to watch.

 

Ira Madison III Love that for him.

 

Louis Virtel That’s great. Come on. Theater.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. All right. When we are back, we are going to get into our favorite segment of the episode is Keep It. And we are back with our favorite segment of the episode. I’m so happy you’re here with us for this. I can’t wait to get to yours. Louis, what is yours?

 

Louis Virtel My Keep it this week pertains to a movie I did really like. And I feel like I’m seeing it come up on people’s best of the year list. And it’s something that I think everybody ended up seeing, even if it when it came out, it wasn’t that huge at the time. My old asked, Do you see this movie with.

 

Ira Madison III I did.

 

Louis Virtel With Op-Ed Plaza.

 

Cat Cohen Everyone’s loving it. Yeah.

 

Louis Virtel And I love the star of the movie tour named Maisy Stella. She did a really great job in the film. My Keep It is something that is sticking with me about this movie is obviously it’s about this girl who does drugs with her friends, and then she has this vision of herself 20 years from now at like 39 years old. And they have this relationship where they are. And the 39 year old version, played by Aubrey Plaza, keeps communicating something ominous to her about the future. And she’s trying to suss out what it is. But anyway, two things that Aubrey Plaza, the Aubrey Plaza character, says to her younger self that annoy the shit out of me is one. She says. When you get older, you just give less of a shit. Please don’t put things like this in the script. I’m sorry. I hate that cliche. What does that mean? I’m. I’m 38 years old. Guess how much of a shit I give Way too much chronically and clinically. It’s not getting less.

 

Cat Cohen Amen. 100%

 

Louis Virtel And also, it’s like the lie that like, you become less like, I don’t know, self-conscious or whatever. It’s like, no, you remain the same person like you still have. You’re taking social cues from other people and some of them are going to be positive and some of them are going to be negative. You know, just the idea that somehow like wisdom, like it happens to you and then, you know, your problems are that that really annoys me. And then, too and this is a spoiler. So get past this. If you really are determined to see the movie. The thing she’s trying not to tell her younger self is that the guy she falls for dies. And so she’s saying it’s going to be very painful for you. That’s what she wants to say. And so basically she’s like, it hurts too much. Don’t go with this person, bitch. That’s your wisdom. I would be like, Well, look out like it’s going to happen to you. Enjoy it. Sorry, it’s terrible, but this is your life. I just cannot imagine being like my age now and talking to my teenage self and being like, that guy you had a thing with in high school where it went terribly like, don’t do it. As you know, you’re not built for Built to Last and like, the world’s too painful.

 

Cat Cohen Yeah.

 

Louis Virtel Not only do I think that’s just, you know, a not cool thing to say. Additionally, I didn’t believe her character. I didn’t believe she would like stage such a hullabaloo around that moment.

 

Ira Madison III Also watching it, there’s a moment at the end, you know, sort of where they she gives him a hug, you know, and says goodbye to him, whatever. I’d like to see him once again, you know, And I’m sort of like. I don’t know. What would she have tried to, like, see him more?

 

Louis Virtel Yeah, right. Like, make the most of it in a way. Yeah, that, though, that’s also kind of confusing. That’s confusing about the movie, though, because it’s like, how much can she interrupt but is supposed to be with like her own, you know, it’s like back to the future logic, like how much can you actually do. But. I don’t think they say when he dies. Do they.

 

Ira Madison III No.

 

Cat Cohen And do we know if the young girl follows her own advice. I guess not.

 

Louis Virtel No. She leaps right. It’s very the movie. It’s very arrival. Right. You know, like you find out this terrible thing and then you go through with it anyway. Yes.

 

Ira Madison III We need my older ass. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we’ll see what happens. Okay. My God. Cat.

 

Cat Cohen Yes, babe. Okay, keep it. This is not pop culture, but. And maybe it’s little to New York specific, but the ritzy op, it’s. It’s impossible to get a reservation anywhere in this town. Do you find that girl?

 

Ira Madison III First of all, bitch, I hope Artemus, I’m gonna watch. Artemus is the one where it is sort of monitors like Rasi brothers raising open bring it down or tries to get you. So.

 

Cat Cohen Crazy.

 

Ira Madison III I have had a alert to try and get a reservation out to the corner store for like two.

 

Cat Cohen Yeah. It’s wild.

 

Ira Madison III Taylor Swift for going there and now be possible to get a fuckin reservation, you know.

 

Cat Cohen At the corner store will be lucky to have us. And yet, I guess than anywhere. I want to have a nice holiday meal with my friends and family. I want to sit in a booth. I want a white tablecloth. I want a martini where the ice is dancing on top. I want to ice skate on that little icy martini and instead I can’t get it anywhere. And I’m eating it like I’m just getting take in my house every day.

 

Ira Madison III I’m sorry. My boyfriend went there at like 945, 10 p.m. and was like, Hey, can we put our name in or something to get sort of like, you know, a just a bar seat or something. And they were like, We’re not taking any more people at this point. Like, it’s fucking 10 p.m.. You can’t walk to restaurant in New York at 10 p.m. and get a bar seat. What the fuck are we doing here? I.

 

Cat Cohen Love when you walk in there. Like the wait will be about 4.5 hours anymore and that is like a different day. Yeah, but the Resy app in particular, it’s like if you try to book a raise and instead of like showing you what’s available, it shows you just all these restaurants that you can’t go to. I go someone who works there and needs to fix it. Give me a VIP situation, hook me up and help. And help.

 

Ira Madison III Resy too often I hit like book for a reservation and I think it’s gone through and my friend gets to the restaurant and they send me a text and say, They don’t have your name down.

 

Cat Cohen Resy, keep it. It’s Glitchy.

 

Louis Virtel You know, it’s a little bit like that. AMC, A-list sometimes, like it’s actually three more buttons you have to hit to make sure the reservation went through as opposed to the one Anyway, that’s that’s a different situation. You usually can get into Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice or whatever.

 

Ira Madison III It is, and you have to go in the app to, to activate your rewards like an an extra page to the apps. We have too many apps.

 

Cat Cohen Yeah, they have a just one. How about a website website?

 

Ira Madison III What happened to real reservation? Like I got a call for reservation. You know, I want and I’m tired of DoorDash and all this shit to bring back delivery men.

 

Cat Cohen Yeah, well, I’m. I’m convinced that if you were to walk into any of the restaurants there, it actually would be empty, but maybe not. Cornish Because it has the Taylor Swift effect. But it’s just it’s crazy.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. I think more.

 

Louis Virtel People should be dressed like old timey milkmen. I just would like it.

 

Cat Cohen 100%.

 

Louis Virtel We need that handsome men in hats, please.

 

Ira Madison III I would like people to trust the milkman. Okay. I would love him. Please. You screw in the milk, man. I’d love to screw the milkman. Right.

 

Louis Virtel Everyone deserves a shot. And we haven’t gotten much.

 

Ira Madison III As long as he brings cashew milk. That’s my new thing. Right now, I’m in a interesting. So what is it?

 

Cat Cohen What does it give you?

 

Ira Madison III What I want to give you?

 

Cat Cohen You haven’t. You didn’t have before.

 

Ira Madison III You know Mary Cosby drinks so I was. Okay. For. Yeah.

 

Cat Cohen Is it hearty? Does it feel creamy?

 

Ira Madison III It does. It’s creamy. It’s hearty, but it’s not as creamy as like. No.

 

Cat Cohen I’m ready for this. Have you had p milk.

 

Ira Madison III No

 

Cat Cohen Pea

 

Ira Madison III Okay. Okay.

 

Cat Cohen Yeah.

 

Ira Madison III You really love the exercist don’t you?

 

Cat Cohen It’s really hearty and creamy in my experience. Now, of course I haven’t had it in years, but I remember that I want my.

 

Ira Madison III Who squeezed milk out of a pea.

 

Louis Virtel Who’s spending all that time. Yeah.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. It was like it was in the milk.

 

Louis Virtel You know what’s in this pod? Milk somebody screams.

 

Cat Cohen Because there’s milk in everything.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Okay.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah. If you want enough. Yes.

 

Cat Cohen Squeeze it Yeah.

 

Louis Virtel Ira. Yeah? What is your Keep It.

 

Ira Madison III Okay. Speaking of influencing, thanks. My keep it goes to this lawsuit that I read about in the New York Times today.

 

Louis Virtel A Newspaper.

 

Cat Cohen Let’s go.

 

Ira Madison III Articles about can you copyright a vibe. so this influence are Sidney Gifford is suing another influencer, Alissa Schiele, who she accuses of copying. Her minimalist esthetic on social media. My. Now, here’s my question. As an influencer is your job not to influence?

 

Louis Virtel Right?

 

Cat Cohen Yes. You’ve done the job.

 

Ira Madison III If you’re not influencing people to do what you’re doing, then are you an influencer?

 

Louis Virtel Influence thyself?

 

Ira Madison III Yes. Yes. Put money in that influence. You know.

 

Louis Virtel That is tough. Yeah. Yeah. You wanted to be an influencer? It’s very. Yeah. Be careful what you wish for. Yeah.

 

Ira Madison III I want a copyright in a fucking vibe. Okay. Like, get on a minimalist esthetic.

 

Cat Cohen I mean, God, first of all, hate that vibe. So, yeah, copyright, that vibe all you want because it’s pretty.

 

Ira Madison III But it’s over here. Okay. Same.

 

Cat Cohen I’d have a lot of I’d have a lot of cases on my hands. Like a copyright, my vibe, honey.

 

Ira Madison III Walk around around the stone.

 

Cat Cohen But yeah, that’s a good way to get attention, though. To be fair, that’s true.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah.

 

Cat Cohen The girl who started it all.

 

Ira Madison III It is.

 

Louis Virtel I think it would be a more interesting situation to talk about if it weren’t just a minimalist vibe. I mean, like, if it were like, there are actual items you’re copying or something, but just the absence of things is what you’re copying.

 

Cat Cohen So the girl who’s being sued saying.

 

Ira Madison III Well, so it’s just this idea of, you know, like your creator and a borrower, you know, like fashion is built on that. It’s like you’re following people’s esthetics. I guess they shot shit together before. And then the one girl noticed that, like she she called it like fashion espionage. Like she was like, she was like doing videos with her to figure out what her esthetic is and then shoot the same way and get like, the same clothes. And it’s I don’t know.

 

Cat Cohen Now that’s an Apple tv show I need.

 

Louis Virtel Yes, I was going to say, where is Stacy London and Clinton Kelly with fashion has been.

 

Cat Cohen Bring them back.

 

Ira Madison III Need that but am I get like gay influencers right or like just gay is on the Internet right I mean they were trying the copyright vibes like nobody would be speaking of your old Jim. Yeah. Nobody would be taking my old dope. No gays would be taking their Grindr photos in the Equinox Greenwich bathroom anymore. Right? Who originated that vibe? Who originated the shirtless, you know, on on the, like, the edge of a cliff, you know, on a vacation vibe that gays do.

 

Louis Virtel I think it all goes back to Marlon Brando in Streetcar. I do think he is owed hundreds of millions of dollars. I do think that.

 

Ira Madison III Holding also in my letter would be in my letter box for whatever I’m going to fly. Yeah. And Streetcar Named Desire is available.

 

Louis Virtel I’m watching it. Movies where you have to fan yourself while you watch them miss it.

 

Ira Madison III Stanley Kowalski I mean.

 

Louis Virtel Polland. Thank you so much. Thank you Polland.

 

Ira Madison III Bring back real men.

 

Louis Virtel Yes.

 

Cat Cohen Totally.

 

Ira Madison III And he’s a monster in it. But you’re standing here. I mean, he’s the original Luigi Mangione.

 

Louis Virtel My God. Are we the first people to say that? Thank God for us.

 

Cat Cohen Full circle

 

Ira Madison III Okay. Yeah. Okay.

 

Cat Cohen I’ve always relied on the kindness of strangers.

 

Ira Madison III A shotgun named Desire.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah. Dang. Mama.

 

Cat Cohen And slay.

 

Ira Madison III We’re really milking it on this show.

 

Louis Virtel From the peas.

 

Ira Madison III Yes. Cat Cohen.

 

Cat Cohen Thank you so much for having me on.

 

Louis Virtel My God, it was such a blast.

 

Ira Madison III Yes.

 

Cat Cohen You all are fab. You’re encouraging me to actually watch more films instead of tiktoks. And that’s something I need to do.

 

Louis Virtel I honestly, that might be the only reason I am here on Earth to influence people to do exactly that so that it may have even worked out for even one second. I’m thrilled.

 

Ira Madison III And people’s watch.

 

Cat Cohen yeah, people should watch.

 

Ira Madison III People should watch you, but people should listen to seek treatment. Your podcast with Pat Regan.

 

Cat Cohen Yeah, you guys would like it.

 

Ira Madison III Your new album Overdressed and aren’t you going on tour soon?

 

Cat Cohen Actually we’re going to do a mini seek treatment tour, just East Coast dates. So yeah, keep keep your eyes peeled.

 

Ira Madison III I’m going to come to the New York date.

 

Cat Cohen Thank you so much. Please do that would be so fun. Yeah. And let me know. Let me know if you get into corner store.

 

Ira Madison III Please, please.

 

Cat Cohen I want that sour cream and onion martini. That’s what I want.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. If I get a reservation that I would like let you know immediately.

 

Cat Cohen I’m going to get this.

 

Ira Madison III Rundown. Just come up to the table. Don’t forget to follow Crooked Media on Instagram, Twitter and TikTok.

 

Louis Virtel You can also subscribe to Keep It on YouTube for access to full episodes and other exclusive content. And if you’re as opinionated as we are, consider dropping us a review.

 

Ira Madison III Keep It is a Crooked Media production. Our producers are Chris Lord and Kennedy Hill. Our executive producers are Ira Madison, the third, Louis Virtel, and Kendra James.

 

Louis Virtel Our digital team is Meghan Patsel, Claudia Shang and Rachael Gaieski. This episode was recorded and mixed by Evan Sutton. Thank you to Matt DeGroot, David Toles, Kyle Seglin and Charlotte Landes for production support every week.