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Jane Coaston: It’s Friday, June 27th. I’m Jane Coaston and this is What a Day, the show that says happy 10 year plus one day anniversary of Obergefell v. Hodges, the Supreme Court case that legalized marriage equality in all 50 states. Today, marriage equality has a 68% approval rating in the United States. And if that’s not surprising or amazing to you in any way, go find an older LGBTQ person and ask them. [music break] On today’s show, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth whines about news outlets not towing the White House line on the success of the Iran strikes, and Republicans face another major setback on their big, beautiful bill. But let’s start with the Supreme Court. The justices say today is going to be the last day of the current term, and boy howdy! They’ve set themselves up to release a lot of big decisions in just one day. As of this morning, we’re expecting decisions in a case challenging President Donald Trump’s executive order to end birthright citizenship. The justices aren’t specifically deciding the birthright-citizenship part of the case right now, but they are expected to weigh in on how much power lower court judges have to block orders like these from going into effect nationwide. We’re also expecting opinions on a big voting rights case out of Louisiana, a case about porn and age verification from Texas, there is an Obamacare challenge, and a case about LGBTQ books in schools. It’s a lot, and I’m personally not feeling great about it. On Thursday, the court also issued a bunch of opinions as it winds down its term. The big case the justices decided essentially paves the way for states to block Planned Parenthood from receiving Medicaid funds, even for care that has nothing to do with abortion. Given the zeal for red states to quote, “defund Planned Parenthood,” this could put the organization at real risk in some areas and make it even harder for low income people to get care of any kind. So for more on the Medicaid Planed Parenthood decision and the horrors that might await us today, I spoke to Jessica Levinson, law professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. Jessica, welcome back to What a Day. 

Jessica Levinson: Thanks so much for having me. 

Jane Coaston: Let’s start with yesterday’s decision in the Planned Parenthood case. It was another 6-3 decision along ideological lines. What did the conservative justices decide? 

Jessica Levinson: I think the strange thing about this case is that it feels like it has something to do with abortion and in some ways it does, but in other ways it actually has nothing to do with abortions. So what’s happening here are there are a couple of different federal laws. There’s a federal law that says that if you’re qualified for your state’s Medicaid program then you can go to any qualified provider. Back in 2018, South Carolina’s governor signed an executive order saying basically we don’t want Planned Parenthood to be a qualified provider anymore. Now we should remember at this moment that federal funds can only be used for abortions in very rare circumstances, rape, incest, the life of the mother. And so South Carolina is trying to essentially take Planned Plannedhood out of its Medicaid program. So Planned Parenthood doesn’t get reimbursement for a whole host of things, including cancer screenings, for instance, and well-women’s visits, et cetera. Now, the question was, can a private individual and Planned Parenthood sue when you have this federal law saying you can go to any qualified provider? I know it took a long time to explain that. I don’t know a shorter way to explain it. And this is why, to get back to my original comment, this is a case that’s about abortion, but it’s not about abortion. It’s about who gets to sue. 

Jane Coaston: But the end result seems to be states can now block funding to Planned Parenthood altogether. What are the ultimate implications for that organization, even in states that haven’t banned abortion? 

Jessica Levinson: So I think the ultimate implications are exactly as you said, is that it will be easier for states to say, you know what? We don’t want Planned Parenthood to be a qualified provider in this state. Now, I believe in South Carolina, Planned Parenthood was going to lose less than $100,000 a year as a result of no longer being part of the Medicaid program. Now in other states, that will be more. So it’s part of obviously an overall effort on behalf of some states to say, we don’t want Planned Parenthood to be a qualified provider. 

Jane Coaston: I’m aware that this case was both about abortion and not about abortion. It was like Schrodinger’s Supreme Court case. But we’re three years out from the court’s decision to overturn Roe v. Wade and send the issue allegedly back to the states. This has been you know the decades long constitutional right to an abortion in this country, gone. How does yesterday’s decision fit into the bigger story of how this very conservative court has treated cases that touch on reproductive rights? 

Jessica Levinson: I will say this particular question, I don’t think is directly related, except that we are talking about a state that has banned abortion after six weeks of pregnancy. Now, in terms of abortion litigation, I think we’re seeing that play out, frankly, in different ways. Think about, for instance, access to Mifepristone, I think that’s where you see a lot of action right now. 

Jane Coaston: So, the court says that today is going to be the last day for decisions this term, and there are still some big, outstanding ones. Among them, a decision on President Trump’s birthright citizenship case. Can you remind us what the court is weighing there? 

Jessica Levinson: Yes. And this is a birthright citizenship case that actually has nothing to do with birthright citizenship. 

Jane Coaston: Again. 

Jessica Levinson: I know again. So the biggest case left to be decided and they left a lot of big cases for that last day. There’s six cases. I think four are pretty big, is this question of nationwide injunctions. And so to remind everybody what happened, President Trump, issued an executive order that in my view would undermine the constitutional protection for birthright citizenship, would contravene the 14th Amendment. And a number of people sued, they went to federal court and they said, there’s a problem with this executive order. And what they got from the federal judge was not a decision that yes, you’re right. And this executive cannot be applied to you. But what they got was something much broader. Yes, you are right. And this Executive Order cannot be applied anywhere in the nation. Now that’s a nationwide injunction. And so obviously this case has implications well beyond birthright citizenship. You can think of any of the executive orders that have been challenged and where there is nationwide injunctions. 

Jane Coaston: I mean, you can even go back to the Biden administration and thinking about student loans, for example. 

Jessica Levinson: That’s exactly right. You can think back to the Obama administration and executive orders that he tried to issue with respect to immigration, the Biden administration’s student loans. So it would affect our ability to challenge, you’re exactly right, executive orders by any president and really any types of executive orders. 

Jane Coaston: Now, during oral arguments, the justices seemed pretty torn. On the one hand, conservatives and liberals have complained for years about the ways a lower court district judge can block policy nationwide. On the other hand, the implications of this case are huge. So if the court does side with the administration, what then for this particular issue, will birthright citizenship be based on states while the cases play out? 

Jessica Levinson: So yes and no, if I could push back a little bit on what’s gonna happen in terms of birthright citizenship. As I read it, the executive order basically has a 30 day window before it would go into effect. And so I think we still have, after the Supreme Court’s decision, I think there’s still about a month before it goes into effect, what’s going to happen in that month? People will bring class action suits. States will sue, individuals and groups will bring class action suits. And that during the oral arguments was what you kept hearing the Department of Justice arguing, which is if you want this to stop with respect to a broad group of people, if you don’t want the executive order to go into effect, then bring a class action, which is all a long way of saying, I’m not convinced that this executive order goes into effect in different states. I think there will be immediate suits. And my suspicion is that many, if not all of those suits will be as successful as the prior suits that we saw. 

Jane Coaston: There’s also another big decision we’re expecting about a voting rights case out of Louisiana. This is about the state’s congressional map and a second majority Black district lawmakers drew. What’s at stake in this case? 

Jessica Levinson: What’s at stake is potentially a lot, or the court could write a fairly narrow decision. So this is an interesting case where Louisiana drew its district lines, and then there was a suit by Black voters by minority voters saying, you’re violating section two of the Voting Rights Act. You need another majority Black district. Louisiana went back, they drew another majority, Black district, and then white voters sued, and they challenged, and they said, you took race into account essentially too much to the extent that actually these new lines violate the 14th Amendment’s equal protection clause. Louisiana said, no, it doesn’t. So this is a case where I don’t think they will, but the court could go really big on this question of the tension between the 14th amendment and section two, which protects people from their voting rights being diluted on the basis of race, for instance. Is the court going to say, basically we’re eviscerating section two, which is essentially all that remains of the Voting Rights Act. I’m not predicting it for today, but again, that case has taken a bit of time. So it’s hard to say for sure. 

Jane Coaston: We’re also expecting a decision about whether parents who have kids in public school can opt them out of reading books with LGBTQ themes. During arguments, the justices seemed poised to side with the parents who had cited religious reasons for example. What’s at stake here? 

Jessica Levinson: So I think what’s at stake here is this question about whether or not parents can go into court and say my First Amendment rights are violated because I didn’t get notice and an ability to opt out before certain books were read to my kids. And um I also heard oral arguments and thought that the court is likely to side with the parents. I think, what I’m really looking for is how they write an opinion where I think what they want to do is protect certain parents, for instance, they want, I guess for lack of a better way of describing it, to make sure that parents can’t walk into every school district and say, I don’t want my kids to learn algebra. I mean, that’s kind of an absurd example, but I’m trying to highlight what I think we need to look at. 

Jane Coaston: I wanted to ask very quickly, there’s also an age verification case. Can you tell me a little bit more about that one? And what else should we be keeping an eye out for today? 

Jessica Levinson: Yeah, so this is a case out of Texas where Texas passed a law that basically said if there’s a website and more than one third of the content is adult content, then you have to go through an age verification process. Now people have challenged that law saying it violates First Amendment rights and it’s content based. It’s based on what you’re looking at. Texas is defending this law saying it’s necessary to protect children. And basically that this is no different than any other age verification law, where you have to be a certain age to buy alcohol, to watch certain movies, et cetera. There’s another case dealing with the ACA, which is popularly known as Obamacare, and a particular government agency that dictates which preventative screenings, for instance, are covered under the law. And there’s a challenge to that particular provision. So that’s the last case that’s kind of on my agenda to really watch for today. 

Jane Coaston: Jessica, thank you so much for joining me. 

Jessica Levinson: Thank you. 

Jane Coaston: That was my conversation with Jessica Levinson. She teaches law at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. We’ll get to more of the news in a moment, but if you like the show, make sure to subscribe, leave a five-star review on Apple Podcasts, watch us on YouTube, and share with your friends. More to come after some ads. [music break]

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Jane Coaston: Here’s what else we’re following today. 

[sung] Headlines. 

[clip of Pete Hegseth] How many stories have been written about how hard it is to, I don’t know, fly a plane for 36 hours? Has MSNBC done that story? Has Fox? 

Jane Coaston: Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth directed a public temper tantrum towards journalists at a Pentagon press briefing Thursday morning. Hegseth railed against the media’s investigations into leaked intelligence that suggests America’s recent strikes in Iran may not have been as destructive as some members of the Trump administration claim. He also accused journalists in the room of having a bias against the president. While Hegseth and President Donald Trump are adamant that the weekend strikes obliterated Iran’s nuclear facilities. Not everyone is on the same page. After receiving a classified intelligence briefing Thursday, Connecticut Democratic Senator Chris Murphy said minimal damage was done to the nuclear sites. 

[clip of Senator Chris Murphy] I’ve walked away from that briefing still under the belief that we have not obliterated the program. 

Jane Coaston: Which was sort of confusing, because about 30 seconds later, South Carolina Republican Senator Lindsey Graham left the same briefing and had this to say. 

[clip of Senator Lindsey Graham] Obliterated is a good word for me to use. I can tell people in South Carolina, nobody is going to work in these three sites any time soon. They’re not going to get into them any time soon, their operational capability was obliterated. 

Jane Coaston: And then Arkansas Republican Senator Tom Cotton said this. 

[clip of Senator Tom Cotton] It was not part of the mission to destroy all their enriched uranium or to seize it or anything else. 

Jane Coaston: Huh? So what exactly was the point of the mission, Senator? Hmm, seems like you all need to work on your messaging. In other news that might upset our sensitive snowflake, Pete Hegseth, Iran’s supreme leader, Ali Khamenei, claimed in a video message on Thursday that America’s strikes had little impact on Iran. So, in summation, everyone is taking the exact stance that benefits them politically. Great, fantastic. On Thursday, the Supreme Court sided with a death row inmate in Texas seeking DNA testing that he hopes will eliminate his eligibility for the death penalty. In 1999, Ruben Gutierrez was convicted and sentenced for capital murder. An 85-year-old Brownsville, Texas resident was murdered and robbed of more than $600,000 she had kept in her home. Prosecutors allege that Gutierrez attacked the woman and stabbed her with a screwdriver. Gutierrez has maintained since his arrest that he was not inside her home that night. He had helped to plan the robbery. Gutierrez tried multiple times in state court to have DNA evidence from the crime scene tested. His requests were denied in part because of a Texas law that requires a person to demonstrate that DNA evidence would have prevented their conviction in order to have any DNA evidence tested in the first place, which is bonkers. But Gutierrez’s is claiming DNA evidence could help him get off death row. In Texas, a person can be found guilty of capital murder, but not be sentenced to death if they were part of an underlying crime that caused someone’s death. They can only be sentenced to death if they are found to have directly caused someone’s death or intended to. After being denied again in federal court, Gutierrez appealed to the Supreme Court. As a result, he was spared from execution in July of 2024, just 20 minutes before the procedure was scheduled to take place. Remember that meeting of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s vaccine panel that Louisiana Republican Senator Bill Cassidy said on Monday shouldn’t take place due to the panel’s lack of expertise in, you know, vaccines? Well, it happened anyway. And on Thursday, that panel, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, or ACIP, harnessed its alleged lack of scientific experience to make a bunch of recommendations for the flu vaccine. The panel voted on four proposed recommendations, three of which had to do with thiomersal. A preservative in the flu vaccine that has come under scrutiny in anti-vax circles. The group voted to recommend thiomersal-free flu vaccines. For years, anti-vaxers have argued that thiomersal is linked to neurological disorders like autism. In fact, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. called it, quote, “toxic to brain tissue” in his 2014 book. So why does the CDC’s own website say that numerous reputable studies have concluded that there’s no link between the amount of the preservative in vaccines and autism. And on top of that, most flu vaccines administered in the U.S. have little to no thiomersal in them. The ACIP did vote in favor of the existing recommendation for an annual flu shot for everyone six months and older. 

[clip of Karoline Leavitt] We expect that bill to be on the President’s desk for signature by July 4th. 

Jane Coaston: Our good friend, White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt, who is very normal and very calm, appears undeterred by the Senate parliamentarian’s ruling on some aspects in the Republican Big Beautiful bill. 

[clip of Karoline Leavitt] Look, this is part of the process. This is part of the inner workings of the United States Senate. But the president is adamant about seeing this bill on his desk here at the White House by Independence Day. 

Jane Coaston: On Thursday, Senate parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough, who enforces chamber rules, said some key Medicaid provisions in the spending bill violated Senate rules, a setback in the GOP’s race to pass it by July 4th, which is a week from today. This obviously flustered many Republicans. Senator Lindsey Graham said he needed to talk to leadership about the deadline. 

[clip of Senator Lindsey Graham] I think that the whole provider tax is the biggest scam I’ve ever seen since I’ve been up here and I’ve seen a lot. So I think we’ll take another run at it, but I have no intention of overruling her, but uh I think that we’ll have another shot at it and I definitely don’t agree. 

Jane Coaston: Senator Tommy Tuberville of Alabama was much more fired up and called for McDonough to be ousted. He whined online about the quote, “woke Senate parliamentarian” striking down a quote “provision banning illegals from stealing Medicaid from American citizens,” which doesn’t make any sense, but hey, that’s Tommy Tuberville. And while the Senate continues to figure out what the heck it’s doing, President Trump spoke Thursday at what the White House dubbed the one big beautiful event. We’ll leave you with this. 

[clip of President Donald Trump] Thank you all for being here to support one of the most important pieces of legislation in the history of our country. And that’s everybody saying that, virtually everybody. The one big, beautiful bill to secure our borders, turbocharge our economy, and bring back the American dream. That’s what’s happening, too. It’s met with tremendous approval and reception. 

Jane Coaston: You already know what I’m gonna say. Sure. And that’s the news. [music break]

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