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Jane Coaston: It’s Thursday, August 21st, I’m Jane Coaston, and this is What a Day, the show that is offering you, our listeners and viewers, another episode of our continuing series, People Booing Republicans. In this case, it’s Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and Vice President J.D. Vance enjoying a warm welcome from people at Washington, D.C.’s Union Station. [clip of people booing plays] That’s one of the great things about our nation’s capital. You could be heading to your train to New York or Charlottesville on a Wednesday morning and have the chance to boo the vice president along the way. [music break] On today’s show, the Israeli military says it’s calling up 60,000 reservists ahead of its expanded operation in Gaza City, and the Trump administration takes an ax to the office of the director of national intelligence. But let’s start with our national museums. President Donald Trump has a lot of opinions on America’s museums and the Smithsonian Institute. We know this because he keeps telling us. Case in point, on Tuesday, Trump posted on Truth Social, quote, “the Smithsonian is out of control! Where everything discussed is how horrible our country is, how bad slavery was, and how unaccomplished the downtrodden have been. Nothing about success, nothing about brightness, nothing about the future.” Personally, I’ve always wanted a museum to tell me about the future, like a history book for things that haven’t happened yet. But as you might know, this is an empty rhetoric. The White House has announced that it is leading a, quote, “comprehensive internal review of selected Smithsonian museums and exhibitions” to ensure that the museums, quote, “celebrate American exceptionalism, remove divisive or partisan narratives, and restore confidence in our shared cultural institutions.” One of the people tasked with leading this effort is White House Special Assistant Lindsey Halligan. She’s a lawyer, not a museum curator, but she’s now in charge of reforming the Smithsonian Institution. She spoke to Fox News on Wednesday and shared her thinking on how the Smithsonian should be talking about our nation’s history.
[clip of Lindsey Halligan] I think there the fact that we had our country uh was involved in slavery is awful. No one no one thinks otherwise. Uh. But what I saw when I was going through the museums personally was an over-emphasis on slavery and I think there should be more of an over emphasis on how far we’ve come since slavery. Our country is a country of progress. And it’s the greatest country in the world. And we should be able to take our kids, our students through the Smithsonian and feel proud when we leave.
Jane Coaston: I’m glad we appear to be in agreement on the fact that slavery was bad. So to talk more about what is changing about our nation’s cultural institutions and who is doing the changing, I spoke to Zachary Small. He’s a New York Times reporter with a focus on the art world. Zachary Small, welcome to What a Day.
Zachary Small: Thanks so much for having me.
Jane Coaston: So in your piece, you detail the federal cultural institutions and agencies that Trump’s taking aim at or trying to bend to his point of view. Can you talk about what institutions and entities this encompasses? Because it’s a long list from ballrooms to the Smithsonian.
Zachary Small: You’re right. And the entities that the White House is looking to, let’s say, reform, basically extend to where the federal government is involved in culture. Now, compared to other countries, that is a relatively short list. The U.S. historically has not given a lot of federal dollars to cultural institutions, so most of them are privately funded. But you do have here the Smithsonian, which is a network of over 20 museums, the National Zoo, you have the Kennedy Center for Performing Arts, which, of course, is this amazing center of performing arts, of dance, of opera. And yeah, we have this ballroom project that’s coming up that’s going to be an expansion of the East Wing that was recently announced. And then of course the National Endowment for the Arts, you know, a legendary institution and one of the few avenues that artists have of receiving federal dollars for their projects.
Jane Coaston: This week, the president said the Smithsonian concentrates too much on the dark history of America, including slavery because I’m sure there’s an uplifting story of slavery, too. And but we talk too little about the bright side of American history. In your view, why is he taking so much aim at the Smithsonian? And actually, to your point, what powers does he have over the Smithsonian anyway? Because it’s not technically part of the executive branch.
Zachary Small: Right. So what our reporting has shown is that the Smithsonian came into his sort of line of sight from a staffer called Lindsey Halligan. So Lindsey Halligen is a White House aide who said, you know, in her own words, that she had gone to the Smithsonian and she had looked around and she didn’t quite like what she saw. And she went to the president with some of her complaints. And he gave her approval to go ahead and draft an executive order that would take aim at some of these complaints and ask for reforms to the Smithsonian. So–
Jane Coaston: What were some of her complaints?
Zachary Small: I think that the complaints that you would see in the executive order is really this idea that American history is seen through a negative light, that it’s the White House’s position that DEI and this sort of, as they would say, a corrosive, negative view of American history has come into museums and the way that people are taught history. We saw this, including in you know some of Trump’s earlier speeches as president, talking about manifest destiny and how great these ideas are that historically in museums have been shown in more of a negative light as you know taking over land and talking about the history of Native American people you know losing their tribal homes.
Jane Coaston: So there’s also the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts, which you mentioned. Who is taking charge of the Kennedy center and what’s their background?
Zachary Small: So the Kennedy Center is one of those interesting topics that gets to one of your earlier questions of like, who actually has control of this? Does Trump have the ability to take over these institutions? The Kennedy Center, you look at it and yes, presidents have appointed boards, but they’ve mostly stayed out of running the institution day to day for sure. Uh. Trump came in and he installed Richard Grenell. He said, I want Richard Grenell to be president of the institution. He removed Biden appointees from the board. And Trump installed himself as chairman. So in that way, this bipartisan institution how has now become very partisan. And Richard Grenell is someone who was previously the ambassador to Germany in Trump’s first administration and now has this other all important task of trying to run the Kennedy Center, which like many nonprofit institutions is very complicated financially to do.
Jane Coaston: Your article goes into even more cultural agencies, institutions, and even as we mentioned the ballroom construction project, which is all getting the Trump treatment. When you look at the whole group of people, which you were so helpful in your piece for basically listing out, what are some of the things that group of people has in common?
Zachary Small: Well, I felt like it was important to do this piece because it’s so easy you know every day there’s a new headline, of course, about the Trump administration. It’s easy to lose sight of the people that are actually carrying out these plans and uh you know what Trump is saying in the speeches. When we looked at the people that are carrying out this transformation of culture under the federal government, it becomes clear that most of them do not have a lot of experience or any experience in the arts, in museum administration, or in history.
Jane Coaston: What ideological differences do you see between these people? Like, you know, Rick Grenell is very conservative. He’s been someone who’s definitely taken more of a culture war tack, even just online. But then you also have people who are a little more under the radar. Do you see any ideological differences between them? And how could that impact what these people do to our cultural institutions?
Zachary Small: Mm hmm. That’s a great question. And I think there are certainly shades between these people. When Trump comes out and with his statements and says, woke is broke, um I think that idea is largely shared amongst these people, but of course, you have like the architect of the ballroom, right James McCrery. And this is someone who is a very traditional conservative, who’s very interested in conservative architecture and federalism and you know columns and marble steps. Uh he’s not [?]–
Jane Coaston: Very Neo-Grecian.
Zachary Small: Yes, Neogrecian, neoclassical, um he is not someone though that is necessarily an ideologue or interested in sort of these larger political battles. You also have someone like Mary Ann Carter at the National Endowment for the Arts. And for everything that Trump has said about completely eliminating this agency, she has, you know, at least in her first term she was a pretty popular director with staff who felt like she was interested in preserving the agency and doing what she could do behind the scenes to make sure that it survived.
Jane Coaston: That actually leads me to to my last question, which is, what’s been the response from Smithsonian staff, Kennedy Center employees, because the GOP spending law has a lot more funding for the Kennedy Center, but they’ve also been laying off tons of people to kind of really make it more ideologically in line with Trump. So have you gotten the chance to talk to staffers from any of these institutions and what are they saying about what’s going on?
Zachary Small: Mm hmm. You know that there’s sort of the rank and file and then there’s the executives and then there’s the trustees above them and you’re going to get different shades of stories depending on who you talk to. I think for the rank-and-file of Smithsonian or Kennedy Center or the National Endowment for the Arts, they are pretty scared. Uh. There’s a lot of unknown that they’re facing in terms of layoffs that have been happening, DOGE coming to visit the National Endowment for the Arts for example. Uh. People take notice of these things. Also, you know, many of these institutions had diversity offices. And people that worked for those offices have either been reassigned or have been laid off. So there are sort of, you know, significant shifts. The other interesting thing that people might not realize about the Smithsonian is that trustees at the Smithsonian include the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and people from Congress and the Vice President, J.D. Vance. So, in some ways, the political arguments and these discussions about balance of power are also being played out in these cultural institutions as they try and figure out a response to Trump.
Jane Coaston: Zachary Small, thank you so much for joining me.
Zachary Small: Yeah, of course, anytime.
Jane Coaston: That was my conversation with Zachary Small, New York Times reporter with a focus on the arts. We’ll link to his work in the show notes. We’ll get to more of the news in a moment, but if you like the show, make sure to subscribe, leave a five star review on Apple podcasts, watch us on YouTube and share with your friends. More to come after some ads.
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Jane Coaston: Here’s what else we’re following today.
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[clip of unnamed Israeli protester] I think that most of the people in Israel want that this war will end as soon as possible.
[clip of Britain’s Channel 4 news reporter] Do you feel that your government will listen? Will any of this make a difference?
[clip of unnamed Israeli protester] I don’t know.
Jane Coaston: That was a protester speaking to Britain’s Channel 4 news in Israel earlier this week. Now, you would think that the hundreds of thousands of Israelis rallying for peace, or the international calls to stop the bloodshed, or the horrific reports of children dying of starvation, or their rising death toll might persuade the Israeli government to de-escalate the war on Gaza. But Israel’s not doing that. In fact, quite the opposite. The Israel Defense Forces said Wednesday that it will call up 60,000 Army Reserve members and extend the service of 20,000 more ahead of an expanded assault on Gaza City. It’s part of what the IDF is calling Operation Gideon’s Chariot, and it aims to deepen operations in Gaza’s most densely populated areas. Israel’s troops already have a hold on the outskirts of Gaza City, according to an official. Israel’s chief of staff is expected to approve the plan in the coming days. But the mobilization comes amid a growing campaign by many members of the army reserves who say the government is only keeping the war going for political reasons that they don’t agree with. The hostages’ families and some former army and intelligence chiefs also oppose the plan. Maximize efficiency, eliminate redundancy. Guess which federal agency this week decided to make Elon Musk’s favorite buzzwords its, quote, “mission focus.” If you guessed the office of the Director of National Intelligence, you’d be right. National Intelligence Director Tulsi Gabbard announced Wednesday a major overhaul of the department in an effort to get rid of bloat. That bloat? Employees, of course. In a press release, the ODNI said it will slash its workforce by more than 40% by the end of fiscal year 2025. It would also cut its annual budget by more than $700 million. Gabbard said in a statement in part, quote, “the intelligence community is rife with abuse of power, unauthorized leaks of classified intelligence, and politicized weaponization of intelligence.” And we hate politicized weaponization, don’t we, Trump administration? Don’t we? The cuts are part of the administration’s reevaluation of foreign threats to American elections. Gabbard released a series of documents last month meant to question the intelligence community’s findings on Russian election interference in 2016. And this week, at Trump’s direction, she revoked the security clearances of 37 current and former government officials. Remember when this happened?
[clip of President Donald Trump] And two days ago, I signed an order making English the official language of the United States of America.
Jane Coaston: Well, we’re seeing a major effect come to light just this week. On Tuesday, the Trump administration confirmed it’s removed a decade old requirement that public schools must accommodate students who don’t speak English. An education department spokesperson told the Washington Post the guidance was rescinded because it is quote, “not in line with administration policy.” It’s now up to individual schools whether or not to offer non-English-speaking students special programs and language assistance. Advocates worry that if the Education Department stops enforcing the laws that require such help, some districts might just cut it. The changes have largely slipped under the radar of public attention, but this is something we should be paying attention to. Because there are five million children in the U.S. who are not fluent in English, and many were born here. It’s just another part of Trump’s multi-pronged push for an America First ideology at every level of government. Last month, the Justice Department sent a memo to all federal agencies directing them to that executive order to ensure that all websites, notices, forms, and policies are in English only.
[clip of Dreamcast Guy] Hi, I’m Dreamcast Guy, having the worst day of my life.
Jane Coaston: Sorry PlayStation fans, the price of all PlayStation 5s will go up by at least $50 starting today. And let me tell you, the gamers are not happy. These things weren’t cheap to begin with. The PS5 Pro will now set you back a whopping $750. Jeez. Sony chalked the increase up to a, quote, “challenging economic environment,” which is a nice way of saying Trump’s tariffs caused this. The company had been staving off tariff-related increases by shifting some PS5 production out of China. It also stockpiled as much as it could. But Wired Magazine reports those stockpiles are now running low, so the company’s passing tariff costs to who? American consumers, of course. Other gaming companies have been forced to do the same. Microsoft raised Xbox prices in May, and Nintendo delayed the release of the Switch 2 due to Trump’s tariffs and upped the cost of the original. I’m going to guess that those prices are going to keep increasing. Because Maga! Yay! Also on Wednesday, the Republican-controlled Texas House of Representatives passed a redrawn congressional map that creates up to five new winnable GOP seats in Congress and further deepens a national redistricting battle between the states. We’ll dive deeper into that on tomorrow’s show. And that’s the news. [music break]
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