Ira and Louis discuss The Olympics Opening Ceremony, the return of Celine Dion, Deadpool & Wolverine, Presumed Innocent, Kamala on Drag Race, “weird” Republicans, and Robert Downey Jr. as Doctor Doom. Zosia Mamet joins to discuss her new series The Decameron, lasting memories of Girls, and more.

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Ira Madison III And we’re back with an all new episode of Keep It. I’m Madison the third.

 

Louis Virtel I’m Louis Virtel, and happy birthday, of course, to Ira, whose birthday was just a couple of days ago. Have you ever had. Have you ever been wished a happy birthday by an Emmy nominee before? What is that like? Go slowly. Let me cherish it.

 

Ira Madison III Yes. Quinta told me happy birthday.

 

Louis Virtel Oh, damn it, she’s a winner.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, yeah.

 

Louis Virtel Best actress in a comedy series. One of my favorites if I had to rank them. Yeah.

 

Ira Madison III Gotchu neat. Yeah, I think it was last year, though. Yeah. So, you know, this year you might be the first Emmy nominee.

 

Okay. Good. Few, you know.

 

Ira Madison III Well, Chrishell, does she count reality TV?

 

Louis Virtel Now what category would she have won in?

 

Ira Madison III Selling Sunset was nominated for an Emmy.

 

Louis Virtel Oh, yeah. Big. You right. I guess that would go to the producers or something.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. You know, so it’s it’s you.

 

Louis Virtel Okay, good.

 

Ira Madison III I’m just naming people that I know.

 

Louis Virtel There is something weird and cosmic about the fact that you are literally one week older than me to the day, as in Europe. Yeah. July 86th. I’m August 4th, 86. I don’t know what’s going on there. I don’t I don’t own a tarot set, but if I did, I’m sure I would investigate and find something spooky.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. It seems a little weird, wouldn’t you say?

 

Louis Virtel Weird. My favorite word that the Democrats are latching on to. I have to say, I’m a fan of this movement. It’s a little trite, like just saying the word weird again and again. Like, obviously it’s not that descriptive a word you can say. Weird to describe almost anything. But I will say, after all these years and however horrible Republicans are, I feel like they rest on this idea that they’re quote unquote telling it like it is, shooting it from the hip like they aren’t woke. They’re just being real. And so when you call people like that weird, it’s like you’re cutting into that, like, no, this isn’t normal for them to say they aren’t operating from a place of authenticity. They’re saying something bizarre and messed up. So I’m sort of psyched that this word has caught on. I believe, Mr. Walz was the first person I heard say it.

 

Ira Madison III I think the first time I saw it was they were doing sort of updates from the Harris campaign each each night about, just things that Trump would be saying at rallies or whatever. And I think one thing said, he went on a weird ramble about something. So I think it’s become like the party line. And my favorite thing about it is. We have endured so much. Sleepy Joe, Crazy Nancy, you know all Trump does. It’s all people, by the way. And now that they’re on the receiving end of it, they absolutely don’t know what to do. Only because the Democrats have spent so much time trying to do their turn the other cheek bullshit. And the like, though when they go low, we go high. Shout out, shout out to Michelle. Oh, yes. But now it’s just just call these assholes weird. Because also, what do you even respond to that with? Like, they’re all flustered. Jesse Watters was like like having a conniption on Fox News. He was like, how dare they just throw this word out? And it’s you’re getting worked up over it. Which is exactly the intended effect, right?

 

Louis Virtel Yeah. Also, you’re right. Like, what if if you call me weird, how do I respond with and I’m not weird, you know, it’s like you can only be offended if you’re offended by the word. That means they must be right to a certain extent. Anyway, it’s a nice little trap we’ve devised, and I didn’t think we were capable of devising such rhetorical traps at this point, so it’s sort of reassuring.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. But I will say that they kind of helped by throwing JD Vance onto the ticket.

 

Louis Virtel Oh, he’s a disaster for them. He’s a disaster for them. Who is rooting for this person who, by the way, there’s something about him facially. And I this is the kind of political analysis you expect from keep it like halfway between. Young Orson Welles and Garfield. I can’t explain it. It’s like somewhere in that space. Like a little bit animated, too. He almost looks like the the Garfield from the Bill Murray movies.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, well, Garfield hates Mondays, and J.D. Vance hates pull out Mondays.

 

Louis Virtel Yes.

 

Ira Madison III He is the. He is. It’s so funny to me, the J.D. Vance ness of it all, because he’s a disaster in so many ways, that it really has nothing to do with his creepy policies, either. Yes, there’s the stuff about him calling women crazy cat ladies and talking about how we need to be reproducing, etc. but everything else about him is just so you know, Trump does not like this man.

 

Louis Virtel Right? Well, also, I mean, I have to say like so Trump picking a VP is obviously to him pageantry, right? Like he doesn’t care to have a V.P., he wants to run this whole operation from somebody has to choose one. And he couldn’t even find somebody obsequious enough not to have called him Hitler. I mean, it’s.

 

Ira Madison III Just such a bad move.

 

Louis Virtel It looks so stupid.

 

Ira Madison III No, I mean, it’s also just goes into his ego, right? Someone who did call him Hitler, but now will acquiesce and bend the knee to him is exactly what he loves. It’s so brazen and it’s so obvious. But in doing that, there are the old soundbites, right?

 

Louis Virtel Right. Which are, by the way, not that old, you know, it was somewhat recent. He said all these things and by the way.

 

Ira Madison III But it makes sense because doesn’t he just ignore his own soundbites too?

 

Louis Virtel That does make sense. Yes. But also, I mean, like in a perfect world, having worked at all. And Hillbilly Elegy would be disqualifying, let alone writing it.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Thankfully, I feel like we are finally getting the revenge that we, would do. You know, Hillbilly Elegy did some nasty work to Amy Adams and Glenn Close. Okay, and now we’re getting our licks back, right?

 

Louis Virtel Also remember, like, Frida Pinto’s in that for two seconds, but okay, first of all, Amy Adams, we’re getting nightmares from her this year. I was looking at a what?

 

Ira Madison III A poster.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah, precisely. I was looking at, I don’t think Amy has been in a good movie since arrival. What is going on over there?

 

Ira Madison III Let’s look at her career movie choices.

 

Louis Virtel They’re all high profile. And then they’re all like, mid tier two. Like the woman in the window. Like, that was terrible.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah.

 

Louis Virtel And then she was, she was nominated for vice. But she should have been also nominated for Guantanamo. because I hated that movie.

 

Ira Madison III I think I once, referred to Amy Adams in an essay as the female Leonardo DiCaprio, on MTV news. So it doesn’t exist anymore. Anyway, so you didn’t early on? Yes, but only in the sense that. She was constantly nominated for Oscars and not winning just like him once upon a time. And my argument, though, was that she needed to have a bit more fun like him. I think post a rival doing shit like Hillbilly Elegy. She was going into this phase of let me do work that’s going to win me an Oscar. It just feels like that. And whereas girl, give us an aviator or like, like give us something fun and it just seems like she’s not doing movies that anyone would want to see besides someone popping it in when they’re watching their screeners at the end of the year.

 

Louis Virtel Right. I would like her to revert to the cookie ness I know she’s capable of. I’m talking about, of course, Drop Dead Gorgeous or even Junebug, which is, I think, still her best Oscar nomination. And maybe now, at this point, the least seen of her Oscar nominations. But if you haven’t watched that recently dynamic movie from start to finish, I love and Bette Davis in that movie, but she in particular has a very heart wrenching turn, and it’s just a believable, delicate, one of a kind character. That’s another thing I feel like a lot of her characters aren’t one of a kind anymore. And then that was a star making moment for her and is still her apex.

 

Ira Madison III I just don’t know how we got to a point from Amy Adams career where I am nostalgic for American Hustle.

 

Louis Virtel No. Oh, you’ve said something. Curse now.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, I mean, that seems more fun than anything else that she’s done recently.

 

Louis Virtel I will say, though, to me, that movie has the shape of fun. And then inside it’s like drudgery.

 

Ira Madison III Oh, it’s awful, awful film. You know, it was we let David or Russell get away with too much.

 

Louis Virtel Of right and hoot and who knows what else he got away with. I mean, I feel like that’s a closed set. You know what I’m saying? Yeah.

 

Ira Madison III Secrets of Amsterdam.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah. Oh my God. Amsterdam. I remember when he made that.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Isn’t he making a new film with Selena Gomez?

 

Louis Virtel You mean potential Oscar nominee Selena Gomez? Guys, that’s the most interesting story of the awards season. Coming up as what’s about to happen with Selena Gomez, the Cannes best actress winner. Co-winner.

 

Ira Madison III Oh, wait, I can’t believe that you haven’t talked about this on the show. David O. Russell’s next project. It’s supposed to be Selena Gomez and a Linda Ronstadt biopic.

 

Louis Virtel We know we did talk about it for a while, but, yeah, I forgot that that’s happening. Interesting choice. Maybe it’s not really about the. I don’t know, I don’t know.

 

Ira Madison III It’s about later in her life. Yeah. I’m actually. So there is no singing us.

 

Louis Virtel There is like, a, like, physical resemblance, but I’m still not over. Apparently Meryl Streep maybe doing a Joni Mitchell biopic. And I’m wondering what that story is about because Joni in her era.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah.

 

Louis Virtel Your favorite era, Joni would have been, by the way. I think like 33 during that time. No, I, I so people.

 

Ira Madison III Like blue I prefer Joni Mitchell black, but.

 

Louis Virtel Oh God no. But like, I guess it would have to be about like, you know, Joni Mitchell having her stroke and returning to the limelight with a couple of these Grammy performances or something. It’s original. It’s allegedly going to be written by Cameron Crowe, but we’ll see.

 

Ira Madison III Okay, well.

 

Louis Virtel He’s due for a second. Good movie. I’m ready for that. Okay.

 

Ira Madison III He has like, two good movies, doesn’t he?

 

Louis Virtel Are you a vanilla Sky girl?

 

Ira Madison III Oh, you know, I’m a vanilla Sky.

 

Louis Virtel Okay, well, that’s the second one. Yeah.

 

Ira Madison III Vanilla Sky is very underrated film. Also a great movie for the vulture cinema matrix.

 

Louis Virtel Oh, yeah. Which is its own class of movies. By the way, I’ll we’ll move on to the episode in a second. If you’re looking for a way to get into Get Good Movies for the Vultures and The Matrix, and I’m like a propagandist for vultures of the Matrix. Watch all the episodes of Siskel and Ebert. I’m telling you, when there’s when Cameron Diaz comes up next on that show on vulture, you better believe I’m typing in feeling Minnesota. What the fuck is that?

 

Ira Madison III Question. What’s your other good Cameron Crowe movie? He has almost four. Oh, not Jerry Maguire.

 

Louis Virtel I don’t know, okay. Okay, okay. Jerry, I think you say anything. Jerry Maguire, I find a bit long. Say anything enjoyable and Ione. Skye. Come on, keep it.

 

Ira Madison III All right. Well, your most controversial take this week.

 

Louis Virtel Okay. To me.

 

Ira Madison III It’s. We haven’t even started using the Tuesday.

 

Louis Virtel Isn’t the Tuesday. Okay. Yeah. What’s happening on this episode?

 

Ira Madison III This episode, the Olympics are happening literally as we’re speaking. That’s right. The Olympics are always happening. So, when the. When Olympic season gets here, all of I love the influx of people you didn’t know cared about the Olympics. And sometimes they are. People even care about the Olympics. I just feel like the Olympics hit and people just watch them because they’re on.

 

Louis Virtel Also, everybody’s sort of in the same boat, like everybody has the same level of non mastery about the Olympics. So it’s sort of guessing at what’s is this person amazing? I wouldn’t know you know it just everybody’s kind of weighing in. It’s super entertaining. I personally love track and field which we haven’t even got into yet. But gymnastics is currently happening and exciting. And that’s of course, one of the greatest human achievements is, gymnastics. That said, can we get men on a balance beam? It would be so beautiful.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, I would love that.

 

Louis Virtel I guess the deal with that is, though. Testicles. You got to watch out. You know what I’m saying?

 

Ira Madison III Well, then get J.D. Vance on the ballot. You know. Speaking of feats of human achievement, we will also discuss Celine Dion’s return at the Olympics, which was majestic and dramatic. I mean, the bitch was singing from the Eiffel Tower.

 

Louis Virtel Right now, and the Eiffel Tower seemed to bend towards her, weeping.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. And then also I was shocked, in our weekly email, that this was even going to become a topic because I, of course, went to see Deadpool and Wolverine. Because I’m a slave to the Marvel Universe. And somehow, Louis, you went to see it, too?

 

Louis Virtel Yeah. The gigantic opening weekend made me think. Not that I was missing something, but there must be something I don’t know. So I went to see, you know, it’s like. And also, he’s like a joke teller, right? So Deadpool and I are, you know, comics. I wanna see what that’s all about.

 

Ira Madison III Marvel’s Lenny Bruce.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah, right. No, he’s he’s given more like Shelley Berman or something. It’s real. Like old school hacky joke telling. I say that with affection to Mr. Berman.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. So we’re going to get into that. And then also, Zosia mamet is our guest this week.

 

Louis Virtel Love her. Had a blast talking to her.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. We talk about Buffy the Vampire Slayer as well, as I’m want to do.

 

Louis Virtel And by the way, let’s. If you can’t figure out the connection between Sasha mamet and Buffy the Vampire Slayer, you might be a mid tier keep it listener.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. You’re not. You’re not in the top 1%. Yeah. Keep it. Listeners. Top 20%. Yeah. Mayhaps. Yeah. All right. We will be back with more. Keep it.

 

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Ira Madison III On Friday, the 2024 Olympics officially began with a four hour long opening ceremony, and apparently Emily called in sick that day because the show was kind of a mess.

 

Louis Virtel You think she would have run that ship? Well? Well.

 

Ira Madison III Honestly, her productions are always flawless. That’s true. She’s a mess. But the shows look good in the end. Okay, do not discount my girl, Emily. Dance, Perry.

 

Louis Virtel And, I mean, the beret stays on straight. I mean, the girl has it going on.

 

Ira Madison III First, I want to talk about how long this fucking opening ceremony was.

 

Louis Virtel Okay. I give them props for doing something different, which is we’re going to be on boats instead of walking around an arena. Okay, great. Visually, it’s a cool idea. It’s a little bit more James Bond. It’s actually very Fire Island invasion. If you’ve ever been there for the fourth one, the drag queens come in on a boat and then, you know, it takes a long time because boats are slow. But anyway. That was enjoyable. But I mean it was slow. And also the athletes are packed into the boats. So it.

 

Ira Madison III It was you can’t see them. Yeah.

 

Louis Virtel It was both an interesting new visual and then not interesting.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Shout out to the countries with maybe eight players competing in the Olympics because you got to see all of them.

 

Louis Virtel No like Tuvalu they were like running back and forth, like jumping up and down.

 

Ira Madison III Tuvelo.

 

Louis Virtel Out. She’s competing now. Yeah. She’s her own federation.

 

Ira Madison III Well I went to see, Deadpool versus Wolverine, and then I managed to get over to, my friend’s place to watch the opening ceremony, and even then I had to leave to go to another thing. And I was about 2.5 hours of it, but it was just like, there’s so much going on. It felt like a whole day of a ceremony, and I had to watch clips online later.

 

Louis Virtel I think also something that made it seem long was obviously it was a bit miserable to be there. It was so rainy so that people are looking waterlogged. As I said, everybody looked like they were just broken up with in a story, you know, just like everybody looks like that girl from Normal People just standing, standing outside Daisy Edgar-Jones, who I’m still mad at because of twisters.

 

Ira Madison III That’s how I thought. Leaving twisters. Yeah. Also the San, the river in Paris where all the boats were dialog. That shit looks nasty as hell.

 

Louis Virtel And they did their best to clean it up. Like there’s this whole effort. Like the mayor swam in the sand to prove it was livable, etc..

 

Ira Madison III And the mayor’s dead. Now it’s.

 

Louis Virtel Swimming with the fishes, as it were.

 

Ira Madison III But it just looks target, you know, like it was dark and it’s it’s something about it just felt very trying to be classy but also filthy. But also if you’ve been to Paris, that just kind of describes the city precisely.

 

Louis Virtel Now, what did you think of Lady Gaga’s, I guess, prerecorded performance? Because it was raining and she couldn’t do this outdoorsy thing. At first I kind of liked how old school and, showgirl it was. There was lots of, like, pompoms and jumping out from them. I will say it was a bit more Vegas to me than France. And so, yeah, I kind of turned on the performance halfway through, even though the vocals sounded good.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. She I mean, listen, she was giving Cher at Ascot and Dirty Rotten Scoundrels the Musical.

 

Louis Virtel And Somebody should.

 

Ira Madison III But it did remind me a bit of her Met Gala.

 

Louis Virtel Okay.

 

Ira Madison III Outfits when she was changing into those three outfits the year that she was hosting the camp.

 

Louis Virtel Year. Yes. Yes. Of course. Right.

 

Ira Madison III But other than that, I mean, I found it fun. The the part of it I really liked was someone put a video online of them watching it. Well, actually in pairs. And so I liked seeing the production of it in that respect. It was more fun just seeing the physicality of it from a distance, being like, oh, this is happening in real life other than just watching it on TV.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah, right. And that yeah, that people could see it because you kind of didn’t get a sense from that performance that there were even onlookers, you know. So that’s nice. And then of course, another amazing part of the production of this, there was this effing ghost horse. Do you know what I’m talking about?

 

Ira Madison III Did you at some.

 

Louis Virtel Point, the country stop coming in on the boats, and then this ghost horse thing appears and it will not stop running across this water, and it’s like an animatronic horse. The vibe is war horse of this thing that is just appearing like a graphic and going across the water. And it was cool to see. I would actually describe it as cinema. It went on for a long time and it put you in a strange, calm mindset, even though you were watching something like this poltergeist animal darting river.

 

Ira Madison III Biscuit.

 

Louis Virtel If you will, and then. They kind of lied to us and pretended that the horse then was now walking on land that wasn’t the same horse. They actually pulled the rug out from under us with that one.

 

Ira Madison III You felt deceived? Yeah.

 

Louis Virtel I was such a fan of the old horse and how it was, you know, 500 years old or something. I don’t know what it was going for. And then a conventional horse that was sort of the same color walked up to the where the torch goes. And I said, those aren’t the same horse. You can’t. They’re not like Tia and Tamara. I don’t get them.

 

Ira Madison III All so I can’t believe I said River biscuit. I should have said said biscuit like Sears biscuit.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah. You’ll never work in late night with these, with these unprimed insects.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. What I loved was the faceless poltergeists specter running around carrying the Olympic torch.

 

Louis Virtel Oh, frightening. That’s at least there should be something about this that is haunted. I agree, I think. I think there should be. It shouldn’t just be the joy of athleticism. There should be a creepiness, too. We’re all here. We’re all here celebrating people who do tricks for a living. And there should be something cursed feeling about that.

 

Ira Madison III And like it fits Paris, which is a very haunted city. Yes. You know, you have The Phantom of the opera, which is set in Paris. The Hunchback of Notre Dame is set there.

 

Louis Virtel So these are all true stories. True stories? Yes. Right.

 

Ira Madison III First of all, quasi modal. He he’s he’s still on Twitter. Okay.

 

Louis Virtel So every once in a while he’s got a joke that hits. Yeah.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, but it got a lot of nasty things to say about, gypsies.

 

Louis Virtel Right. Don’t ask him. Right.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. And I’m talking about the Fleetwood Mac song. He hates.

 

Louis Virtel It. Oh, that’s too bad. Your favorite?

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. A side note, I play Gypsy, by Fleetwood Mac at my birthday party. A close friend came up to me and showed me tattoo of his. That was a gypsy Fleetwood Mac tattoo.

 

Louis Virtel Well that’s incredible. How do I not have a Fleetwood Mac tattoo in this random person? Does that so upsetting.

 

Ira Madison III It. It said lightning strikes maybe once, maybe twice. That was the tattoo. Oh, that. I was like, fabulous. Wow. Yeah.

 

Louis Virtel Also so underrated lyric from that song. Actually, I really like that lyric.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. I think I might actually get that tattoo now.

 

Louis Virtel Just ripping your friend off. Okay, I see what kind of.

 

Ira Madison III I told him I wanted it, and he was like, you know, we should we should have the same tattoo. I think it would bond us. He’s a Leo as well. So we already have like a we already have a bond.

 

Louis Virtel Got it, got it. Okay. Now speaking of. Show stopping people. Celine Dion appears, and I have to say this once it was announced that she would be singing, I was pretty positive we’d get an A-plus performance because there’s no such thing as a Celine who’s going up there at half volume or half sick. You know, she’s like, I saw her give a soundbite about, not being able to perform so much recently because of her bizarre illness. And we can talk about the documentary, too, which I think we’ve both seen, but. She said that she misses the audiences more than she misses the music. And when you say things first of all, that’s a very touching statement. Second of all, when you say things like that, what it means is you think your gift is like a conduit to give people their life really, you know, and to connect with people. And I feel like she was not going to perform unless she could really connect with people. And the perfection of her instrument is how she does that. So I was not surprised to get the performance we did, but my God, was it spectacular. And so immediately emotional. Like like the way you hit your funny bone and like it reverberates through your body, that sort of immediacy.

 

Ira Madison III Plus an Edith Piaf deep cut.

 

Louis Virtel She doesn’t do it on tour. She doesn’t do it on tour.

 

Ira Madison III None of that la vie en rose shit. Okay. She was like, I got a little something else for you. I will say, when she was first announced, just performing didn’t seem like she was going to perform with Lady Gaga off the way. Yeah. I thought we.

 

Louis Virtel Were just straight up lied to. Yeah.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, because.

 

Louis Virtel You know, Lady Gaga’s like, oblivion Rose on there. Let’s go.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. She just appears in the back of, karaoke bars. What do you say? Yeah. Yeah, right. That’s how you get her to appear. But Celine was. It was great. It was beautiful just seeing her perform from the Eiffel Tower. I love the makeup that she was wearing. It was just. It was very striking and dramatic. And for all white, it’s. I feel like, an added benefit to it was, you know, for people who hadn’t seen the documentary, really a lot of people I talked to were shocked that she was even able to sing anymore.

 

Louis Virtel My impression was it was over. It was like, you know, like Julie Andrews, after getting her vocal chords worked on or like like Linda Ronstadt not being able to sing anymore. One of those things.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, but if this is the last time we get to see her perform, then it was fucking worth it.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah, but, I mean, she seems to have distinct control of that instrument. If you haven’t watched the documentary, I mean, two things are really notable about it. First of all, you see her in the throes of spasms with this illness, this stiff person, it’s.

 

Ira Madison III Hard to watch.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah. And it’s it’s like. I mean, I would call it a seizure, maybe is like the closest thing I can compare it to, but it’s so bracing and she can’t respond. And like, she has people around her who are really managing it well. But it’s just it’s what’s crazy is you’re watching an illness that no one else has. So it’s like you have no nothing to really compare it to. Like like seizure is not really what it is. But then secondly, man, is she an amazing interviewee. There is something about Celine Dion where she is exactly articulate about her experience as both as a singer and as somebody who is revered like she she stands aside from her vocal gift and knows exactly where it belongs in the world and what it means to her. And it’s so awesome to hear her talk about that. It’s really just you should just put a tape recorder in front of this woman and let her go. She’s just brilliant at speaking.

 

Ira Madison III I will say though, another thing that I love about, Celine Dion is that she’s a she’s a great interviewee. But then also at times she is absolutely not listening to whatever the fuck somebody is asking because she’s thinking about how she’s going to turn what they’ve said into a song. And she is always singing.

 

Louis Virtel Yes.

 

Ira Madison III And I remember years ago in LA, she was announcing, another sort of, a tour, because she had done Vegas for so long and this was her getting back out there doing a tour again. And every question the interview was asked, he could say something like, oh, you know, there was a lot of traffic, in Los Angeles today. And she’d be like, traffic, traffic in L.A. by that book. I’m like, ma’am, this interview is now an hour long.

 

Louis Virtel No, when I come back from my hiatus, Jeff Goldblum is the guest host on Kimmel, and from one of my friends have said working on bits with him. Everything you say. Like, if you give him a line of dialog that reminds him of something else, which reminds him of something else, like he truly is this kooky person who gets sidetracked. And apparently when he gives concerts because he’s like a jazz musician, he will spend 35 minutes between songs because something reminded him of something which reminded him of something else. Celine Dion is exactly like that, except everything reminds her of singing a song, so she is constantly like bopping to songs that don’t exist that she just created.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Or if she hears a word that, relates to another song, I feel like she started singing James Brown at one point during the interview. Also, maybe one of my favorite moments of witnessing the celebrity ever was during this thing in LA. The and. It was the announcement. It was that like the Ace Hotel downtown. Remember that she had been in Vegas forever. Yeah, right. And someone was from the audience was asking a question about how it felt to be touring. Since she had been in Vegas forever. But she interpreted it as. They were asking her like what she felt to like be finally touring as if she had never toured before. And the way she dressed this man down saying. I’ve never toured before. I’ve been on tour and we started naming tours and years and we were. And I’m sitting there in the audience. My friend were like, she completely misheard, like what this man said, but she was on a roll. Oh my God. And he slinked out. Yeah.

 

Louis Virtel You could not make this woman up. Also, just the sense of humor in general, which we basically just articulated, like the goofiness. She’s the kind of person who thinks saying the word ogre is like a ten out of ten comedy moment. Everything is like Jerry Lewis level noises all the time.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. I think about, do you remember Rich Jews with acts supercut of Celine Dion’s weirdness during her concert?

 

Louis Virtel Yes.

 

Ira Madison III I’m trying to think of another person like current, but then it reminds me. Remember, he also did that for, Beyonce’s The Beyoncé Experience tour. And I think that we’ve gotten away from it because Beyoncé doesn’t really do interviews anymore, but she used to embody some of that too. Just like during the Beyoncé experience, it was a lot of being wacky on stage, and just all these gestures.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah. Sliding in, some goofiness.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, yeah. And I think that that’s a real thing that I love about her, that we don’t really get from a lot of artists anymore.

 

Louis Virtel I mean, it cannot be underestimated. How fucking funny. Beyoncé. The somebodies getting fired moment during.

 

Ira Madison III That night lights. Yeah. Hey, hey.

 

Louis Virtel That is a scream. Laugh a scream.

 

Ira Madison III Laugh. Yeah. No, she’s so funny. But then also, there’s just comedy in how much she feels thing. Yeah. She’s such a.

 

Louis Virtel So intense.

 

Ira Madison III Emotive person.

 

Louis Virtel Empathetic.

 

Ira Madison III Empathetic. She, she sort of really gets there in that Larry King interview, of.

 

Louis Virtel Course, talking about Hurricane Katrina.

 

Ira Madison III Katrina. And he is like, Will you sing a song for us? And she’s like, I don’t want to sing a song. You know, these people need help. And I just, I hate how we as gay people, watch that interview for enjoyment.

 

Louis Virtel Oh, yeah.

 

Ira Madison III She’s like. She’s dark. Yes. She’s despairing. But she is so emotive just in general because, like, the documentary starts with, someone asking her her favorite color, and she’s like, oh, so hard for me to answer that question. And then one of her twin sons, I think, actually, both twins say the color red. And then she goes on this spiel about read the reminds you of love writes.

 

Louis Virtel But yeah, very pure and also a little mind numbing but also sensitive. It’s so funny. She she she.

 

Ira Madison III Could imagine her being your mom. I talk to you like that every day.

 

Louis Virtel No. And her kids seem very like the Emperor’s new clothes about it. They’re like, oh, yeah, there’s mom talking about Red again. Like they don’t think twice about it. Obviously we’re still at the very beginning of the Olympics, so we haven’t seen much in the realm of competition, though. Men’s gymnastics has begun to occur and there is a new sweetheart in town. He’s the guy who only does pommel horse for the U.S. men’s gymnastics team, and he came in so that they could clinch the bronze in the men’s team final. This is the first time they’ve landed on the podium since 2008. This guy, Stephen Nutter. Isaac, here’s what you need to know about him one. Goofy glasses I’m talking.

 

Ira Madison III About.

 

Louis Virtel I’m talking about Lisa Loeb glasses, motherfucker. They are some big glasses. Second of all, before he went on to call him himself, he showed on Instagram that he completed a Rubik’s Cube in under 10s. Oh, okay. Now now we’re getting into boyfriend territory. You know what I’m saying?

 

Ira Madison III He’s so squinty. Yeah.

 

Louis Virtel Oh, the squint. And also his his smile is so, like, goofy in a Jerry Lewis way.

 

Ira Madison III Was he the one who briefly fell asleep, too?

 

Louis Virtel Yes. Or he’s. He was intensely thinking. I think he was just sort of visualizing his routine, but, and then he happens to be this pommel horse expert. Can I say about this? Talking about the pommel horse? It is basically not a pleasure to watch. Or do most gymnasts hate doing it because you, like, slam your legs into this fucking beam or into these giant handles, and you’re either flawless or you’re falling off the thing. So I have to give props to anybody who does it, because it seems like there is no upside other than potentially 1 in 1,000,000 chance getting a medal at the Olympics someday.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Him everyone has been loving. I mean, I’ve seen a lot of people retweeting, Brody Malone.

 

Louis Virtel Right? Which is exactly his name. You look at this person, you’re like, you like you touch your temple, and you guess his name is Brody Malone.

 

Ira Madison III Also, Frederick. Richard, was. Was fucking great. And so, obsessed with being like, yes. Yeah. Mostly I love Friday too, because you have some unbiased, but you don’t really have that many examples of black men in gymnastics. Right? So, I don’t know, I feel like I love watching men’s gymnastics because it just reminds me of 80s blockbusters. Like when we would have movies like Jim Carter.

 

Louis Virtel Right? And, you know, it’s like the rigidity of the sport is is very old school like it’s almost it’s both art and art less like you’re doing this artistic display. But at the same time, there’s no personality. And the way men does it, it’s about the rigidity, obviously, in the women’s events, like on the floor, they get to dance and pick songs that illustrate a personal sensibility. But for the men, it’s not really about that.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. And I think the thing I just really like about the Olympics in general is. When it comes around and everyone’s watching them. You just really get this feel for why we care about sports in general. You know, just seeing human beings like, do a feat the same way you see a singer and you were impressed by them the same way you see sort of, a dancer and you’re oppressed by them, just seeing like, what the human body can do. It’s impressive. And then I feel like that’s also impressive when you watch local sports, you know, high school sports, college sports, etc..

 

Louis Virtel No, it’s shockingly a pleasure. And also, it’s just it’s way more individually oriented than most of the sports that are like on every Sunday here in America. So you get invested in the the personal experience of that person, like you somehow feel connected to them. And like, I don’t feel that way when I watch, for example, football or basketball. Not that I watch them.

 

Ira Madison III You’re admitting that.

 

Louis Virtel I don’t think they have anything to give me you know.

 

Ira Madison III Well I mean I just started dating someone who was from Boston and loves the Celtics. So I promised to watch some Celtics games. Although Ray Sandy, objected to that and said, what you’re not going to do is become a Celtics point.

 

Louis Virtel My brother lived in Boston for years and now has moved to, Copenhagen. And I for a while was like, maybe I should get invested in, you know, Boston sports or whatever, so I can, like, connect with him or whatever. Thank God that’s over. Wolf, what a delusion I was under.

 

Ira Madison III What’s going on in Copenhagen? I was, like many people have been moving there.

 

Louis Virtel I think it’s probably very clean and, adorable. And, you know, they got that mermaid statue.

 

Ira Madison III Well, Ariel couldn’t survive in the conditions of that water if it weren’t clean. Right. You think Ariel’s in the sand? She’s.

 

Louis Virtel She’s there now, drinking it every day.

 

Ira Madison III All right. The Olympics will continue, so I’m sure, we’ll still be talking about them. You will be at least. Oh, yes. I’m going on a work project. For next couple weeks. Yeah.

 

Louis Virtel I’ll give you the salmon, lowdown next week.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Louis and someone else will be here talking about. Keep it for the next couple of weeks. Oh, yeah. I guess this is me letting you know. Before I come back to DMs where I. Where you people get angry. Maybe we need to tell you these things midway through the show instead of at the end. It seems some of you turn it off.

 

Louis Virtel That’s true. That’s true.

 

Ira Madison III And that’s your own fault.

 

Louis Virtel We haven’t booked this book yet. By the way, if there’s people you want on the podcast, yell them at me and then I’ll give it to my producers and make them think about it.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. But. And the guests will be great, too. You know, obviously it won’t be anyone like Angelina Jolie, because then I’d kill Louis. That’s right.

 

Louis Virtel You know, I just heard her new movie isn’t good. I just heard it isn’t good.

 

Ira Madison III Did you?

 

Louis Virtel Yes. I’m really. I wanted it to be so good.

 

Ira Madison III Thinking about it. I was just thinking about it, too, because Maria Callas, her vocals open up the Celine Dion documentary.

 

Louis Virtel Right, right. But you know what could go wrong? We’ll see, we’ll see.

 

Ira Madison III That’s fair. That’s fair. There’s a lot of movies coming out of, what, Venice this year. Right?

 

Louis Virtel I think it’s usually the best film festival for me.

 

Ira Madison III The new Almodovar is dropping. That’s Tilda and Julianne.

 

Louis Virtel That better be fucking something.

 

Ira Madison III It’ll be something. It’s Pedro. It’s always going to be something. Even even the recent, short film that he made. And I hope he never makes any more short films because they’re not as good as his longer films. He needs room to breathe. Yeah. You know, you can’t get all these. His soap opera melodrama plots, into 30 minutes. But that strange way of life he did that was basically a YSL ad, with, Pedro Pascal and Ethan Hawke, and Manuel Rios is. Awful. But it does have, like one of the hardest scenes that he’s ever had, in a movie, which is two. So pros and cons.

 

Louis Virtel Lots to think about.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. All right, when we’re back, we are joined by, Zosia mamet. This week’s guest taught a generation of women how to girlboss, but that was just her getting started. She’s since become a scene stealer and star in series like Mad Men and The Flight Attendant. And in her new series, The Decameron, she’s once again delivering laughs, drama and so much more. As an Italian aristocrat who just needs a good man and a good bra. Welcome to keep it. It’s Zosia Mamet.

 

Zosia Mamet What an intro. I love that.

 

Louis Virtel This has apparently tickled her.

 

Zosia Mamet It did very much that. What’s up guys? Hi.

 

Louis Virtel I’m thrilled to have you.

 

Ira Madison III Hi.

 

Louis Virtel Okay. I have to say about this show, some of the laughs, I mean, are maybe, like, the broadest laughs I’ve ever seen. You get, like, I think of, you know, girls. And the history of the humor you’ve got for is like, you know, there’s like a murmuring kind of conversational tone. This is like hard comedy in so many ways. Is it like refreshing to just go for broad laughs?

 

Zosia Mamet Oh, yeah. It was, I told our creator, Kathleen Jordan, after like week one, I called my husband and I was like, I don’t I don’t know if I like just like lost the plot. So I was like, Kathleen, if you want me to like, take it down because I’m basically like at an 11 at all times. And she was like, you know, everyone’s like everyone’s floor and ceiling in the show is different. I was like, okay, my ceiling is I feel like everyone’s like, sky. So just let me know if you want me to. And but she just let me go crazy. And it was, very fun.

 

Ira Madison III How did you sort of get involved in this project? I mean, it’s fun. I mean, like you said, we were so used to seeing you in sort of, I guess, like a modern setting. But now you’ve done this. You were in Dickinson, before as well. Are you enjoying sort of the period vibe, the garb, etc.?

 

Zosia Mamet You know, I honestly, I can’t say from an esthetic standpoint, yes. And it’s fun from a character standpoint until like the head pieces start to really. Really badly. Those headpieces were my worst fucking enemy. There’s so much hair on my head. It’s like the wig, plus all of these braids and then a bunch of, like, accouterment. And then the headpiece was just like the final situation, and it was not comfortable. But that was more comfortable outfit wise, compared to Dickinson, which was I remember Anna Baryshnikov, who was on the show so brilliant on it, told me day one. She was like, by the way, you can’t really eat anything while you’re wearing the corset. And I was like, what do you mean? Like, I yeah, you can’t eat like a big lunch, but like, it’s not okay. And we, we took a break during a turnaround certain set up, and we went to go get a snack. And I’m not kidding. I ate, like, two almonds, and it was like. I mean, I just couldn’t breathe. I no longer could breathe. It was like the allotment of space had already been taken up and there was no more. So these were more forgiving in that regard. Yeah. No corsets ever again.

 

Louis Virtel We we had Natasha Leggero here one time. We were bringing up the show another period, which is a zany, period comedy set around the turn of the 20th century. And even that, which is a completely farcical show. They had to do a lot of historical research just to just to, like, give people the foundation of reality in which it set. Did you have to do a lot of historical research for this show, which is, by the way, not like Boccaccio’s Decameron, if people are curious.

 

Zosia Mamet Very, very much not like God chose Decameron. And, I don’t think the Italians are particularly pleased about that. But we never we never made any promises that we would be. No, I didn’t do any historical research. I, I just, I just show up and say the words like, no, it was it was so clearly a different situation. You know, it’s like, yes, obviously this is the source material, but Kathleen Jordan really created her own world that we all got to live in. So I chose to, leave the history in the past for this one.

 

Louis Virtel The Kola Scola as Mary Todd Lincoln approach. Cool says, I actually know less now about Mary Todd Lincoln than I did before.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah.

 

Zosia Mamet Exactly. Yeah. Cause, like, you know, I’m just going for the essence. Oh, my God, I just saw Mary while I was doing press for this.

 

Ira Madison III It’s fantastic.

 

Zosia Mamet I don’t think I’ve ever. I would actually was like, I think I think I added a wrinkle to my eyes because I just spent the whole show like I was in. I was in pain. I was laughing so hard.

 

Louis Virtel There’s no space. To not be laughing like it’s paced. In a way, it’s an Olympian paced laugh fast. Yeah.

 

Zosia Mamet 1,000%. Like you need to be smart. If I were to see it again, I would plan out like where I was going to breathe.

 

Ira Madison III Because there’s.

 

Zosia Mamet Just there’s very little time or space to breathe in between.

 

Louis Virtel Laps. Madonna just posted that she was at that show too, and I’m like, Was Madonna laughing that hard? Because I almost can’t picture it? Like how, you know, because it’s that it’s that kind of pace. You’re either laughing that hard or not paying attention.

 

Zosia Mamet Has Madonna, has Madonna ever smiled? Have we ever seen.

 

Louis Virtel It’s not. It’s not part of her recent eras. Not really. No.

 

Zosia Mamet Okay. Yeah. But like, is it documented? I mean, I’m sure she has, but like if I were to Google it.

 

Ira Madison III Truth or dare. Yeah she’s laughing a bit, but it’s sort of like an evil smile. Yeah. Right.

 

Zosia Mamet Okay. It’s just it’s a smirk. It’s a smirk.

 

Ira Madison III She’s a smarter. And now she’s sort of heavy shades era, like, I saw her. I don’t know what she was like for the photos that oh, Mary, but she saw Deadpool. She was at the premiere, and she had on the glasses in the audience. I’m like, I love the idea of a celebrity watching a movie.

 

Zosia Mamet Movie with sunglasses.

 

Ira Madison III Sunglasses on. But Anna Wintour must do it every day, right? Or do they come day? Do they come down like when the lights go down to watch the show?

 

Zosia Mamet I don’t know, I did a play once where I had to be up in a fake tree, like in the risers for the better half of the first act. And Leonardo DiCaprio came to see the play and he I could see everyone I just like. I was so fucking bored up in this fake tree. So I would just sit and watch people. There was a woman want to knit an entire scarf during the play. I watched her like, knit the scarf, but, Leonardo DiCaprio was there. He was in he was like in the the sort of second tier of seats. And he was so far down in his seat and he had a baseball cap pulled down, like angled this way over his face. And I was like, I mean, I get wanting to be incognito, but like, can you even see anything? And like, also nobody’s looking at you, bro. Like, they’re like the light. No one can see you because it’s dark in the theater.

 

Ira Madison III But, New York is safe for actors. But also the theater seems to be the one big, safe place. So it’s like we’re we’re focusing like, I was sitting next to Jake Gyllenhaal once during a play recently, and even I managed to keep my eyes on the show until the second act, when we all got a little bored. There was a woman on hinge next to me, just doing matches during the second act of that show. But.

 

Zosia Mamet Yeah, just getting shit done.

 

Louis Virtel But that woman was an Patti LuPone, okay? No. Wasn’t. All right.

 

Ira Madison III Got it. No. Absolutely not.

 

Zosia Mamet She uses a different app.

 

Louis Virtel Okay. First, also, the show is again for you, another show where the cast is primarily women. Is that a particular joy to work on? Do you miss working with men during these situations ever?

 

Zosia Mamet I don’t do I miss work? I mean, there were some fantastic men who are on this, this show, Tony Hale being one of them, who is just like, an absolute dreamboat.

 

Louis Virtel Yes.

 

Zosia Mamet I mean, it’s never, like, intentional. I’ve just gotten super. I’ve just gotten super lucky that, like, I predominantly get to work with incredible women and like, the people who are running the ship are amazing. Like, I just did another show with Ninja Cotton and Stephanie Shue and I played opposite each other, which was so fun again, like wonderful men in that show as well. But, yeah, I really, I really have been lucky to have like fantastic female mash ups. And I think also to get to explore the really complicated dynamics of female friendship and like female friendship, love affairs, and getting to work with Sarah Monica Jackson was just like, I mean, she’s an absolute powerhouse and she is potentially the funniest person I’ve ever met in my life.

 

Ira Madison III I want to talk a bit about girls for a second, but I have an interesting question too. You were just talking about working with like, Tony Hale and being opposite like Stephanie Sue. I wondering rewatching the series lately, I’ve been like forgotten how many fun guest stars and people just sort of pop in who sort of become famous later. Two do you have maybe favorite people that you sort of worked with on the show who weren’t sort of the main cast? You know, like now you look back and like, oh my God, I love that. I got to have a scene with this person.

 

Zosia Mamet Oh my God, that’s a great question, you know. I feel like I honestly. I was mostly with the girls, but I think one of the people that I probably had them. It’s so tough because we had so many fantastic humans, but probably the person I had the most fun working with was 80 Bryant and we were in Japan together, which was also really, really crazy and fantastic. And that whole experience felt a bit like a fever dream, of which she was a very big part of. We had like, we basically were filming our own TV show while filming that on set, which was 80, giving live commentary, while trying, like, all these really crazy Japanese snacks. So that was how we spent all of our downtime on that show. And I think just that alone was one of the greatest joys of my career. Get it? Like just watching her do that was comedy gold.

 

Louis Virtel I was very heartened to read an interview with you recently where you’re talking about, the character of Shoshanna. And sometimes I think, you know, people, I guess, present signature characters or whatever. But the way you talk about this character was so cool. I thought, where you are, you say you wonder where she is. And, it seems like this character has significance to you. Like when you think about this character, what is the importance of Shoshanna in your life?

 

Zosia Mamet It is. It’s so interesting. I’ve never really played a part that has taken its own form in such a like three dimensional way before. I think for the most part, the characters I play, they feel like characters, like I, I think the interview that you’re talking about, I said, like, I’m not a method actor or like I don’t write a character’s backstory. Like, that’s just not, how I that’s not the way I work. But something about her, she always sort of felt like her own separate entity, and, I don’t know, I think she also was a character that, like, could have very easily been. Pretty one dimensional and kind of shallow. And I think Lena and Jenny did such a spectacular job. All of our writers of just creating this, like, incredibly nuanced person that they really allowed to grow over six seasons. And so, I don’t know, I just I feel like I developed a really deep love for her. And I, I like think about her often, like, I think about what she’s doing and what her life looks like and, how she has, like, the same, the same feeling that I get when I’m, like, running late from the barn. And I want to text my dog to tell her I’m running late, but I’ll be home in five minutes. Is like how I feel about Shoshanna. I want to, like, text her, like, what are you doing tonight? You’re watching the Olympics. What’s happening?

 

Ira Madison III You know, you talked a bit about the theater and, you know, like a rafter story, of course, that you’ve done a lot of theater and obviously, you know, your father was a playwright. And so you. I wonder if, like you, you’re being immersed in theater, maybe sort of when you were growing up, and then getting involved in it. Do you have sort of an affinity for theater over television and film? Do you wish that you were doing more theater at any point, or are you just sort of fine with the current balance you have that.

 

Zosia Mamet I love it, and I think when you hit the right alchemy of an incredible play with amazing costars and an incredible director there, there’s nothing like it. But I also think, you know, I came up in Los Angeles where there isn’t a lot of opportunity to do theater. So I was exposed to it a lot with my parents. But like growing up, my my first jobs and my first exposure as an actor was really in television and film. And so I think that’s kind of where I, like, cut my teeth, for lack of a better term as an actor. And I think that rhythm of TV and film specifically, specifically television, was what I like became accustomed to because it’s what I did more when I was first starting out. And I think it’s funny. My husband and I are so different because he came up in the theater, and he loves the process of mounting a play, like he loves the table work. He loves like really digging into it and like kind of getting it into your bones. And I love a television schedule. Like, I love to just, like, figure it out and work fast. And he he always says that I shoot from the hip like I’m sort of someone, like, I know my lines inside and out, and I like to rehearse the scene, but I also like to just kind of like find it in the moment and a little I like to do it sort of by the seat of my pants. Sometimes. I think that’s where you find a lot of the magic, at least for me. And I do really enjoy theater, but I think I sometimes when I’m doing it like miss the pace of TV and film. And that’s what I find myself kind of gravitating towards more.

 

Louis Virtel I find that in interviews you are routinely, of course, asked about your father, but I have more questions about your mom, Lindsay Crouse, who is an Oscar nominated actress. Buffy the vampire. Slayer. Vet Slayer? Yes. It’s like. Yes. Precisely. Yes. Adversary.

 

Ira Madison III Yes.

 

Louis Virtel What is her personality like? How how did she shape your interest in acting?

 

Zosia Mamet She you know, I mean, I think the biggest thing with both my parents was just the fact that I was exposed to it from such a young age, and it’s it’s hard to say if I would have wanted to do it if I, you know, was born to to dentists. But I don’t know because I, because I wasn’t but like, some of my earliest memories are of being in the theater backstage or being on set, like I have a very, very early memory of sitting in my mom’s lap while she was sitting in the hair chair getting her hair done. I forget we were on location somewhere and I must have been. I was definitely under five. And I remember looking in the mirror and thinking like, oh, someday I’ll sit in this chair. And I, I just like, I just loved set. Like, I absolutely loved it. I thought it was the most magical place on earth, and I, I wanted to be an actor for as long as I can remember. So I think their biggest hand in shaping my desire to do this was just that, like I was they exposed me to it.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, I mean, absolutely. I was thinking about Buffy the Vampire Slayer earlier, so it’s like I had even forgotten about all of that.

 

Zosia Mamet And just in general, you were like, What’s Buffy up to what she did?

 

Louis Virtel Trust me, he was.

 

Ira Madison III It’s my actual favorite TV show.

 

Zosia Mamet I’m all with you guys, but this is something I will never forget. I remember watching Buffy. Do you remember this episode where she. She’s like, I can’t remember the exact specifics. She’s like, this person is like a whatever, a werewolf or where. And everyone’s like, Buffy, calm down. She’s not a werewolf. She’s like, no, he is, he is. And then for some reason, she gets a hold of his, toenail clippings and she realizes that they’re, like, continuing to grow after he has clipped them. And she’s like, see, it’s the telltale sign of a werewolf that, like, his toenails, continue to grow after they’ve been clipped. And I, I was like, I just remember it’s it’s stuck with me as, like one of the most disgusting things I have ever like, storyline wise. I’m like, what was going on in the writer’s room that someone was like, you know what? We should have it be. It should be. That has his toenails continue to grow after he’s clipped them, like, just so gross.

 

Ira Madison III I’m assuming it’s probably season two. It was probably Seth Green’s eyes. Obsessive fix of the toenails. But yeah, I’m always thinking what? Buffy’s up to this concept, right?

 

Zosia Mamet So what about Phaedra?

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Sarah Michelle Gellar is, a hero of mine, so.

 

Zosia Mamet And I love that for you. I love.

 

Louis Virtel That tone. Well, you know, we’re short on heroes, so it’s sort of mixed.

 

Zosia Mamet We are. It’s true.

 

Louis Virtel Sasha, thank you so much for being here. The the camera, by the way, is out right now so people can watch it right now.

 

Zosia Mamet They they can to strip.

 

Ira Madison III And honestly, like, sometimes Netflix does not tell me that they have things. But the camera popped up immediately when I opened up the app this weekend, and I was like, all right, it’s there.

 

Zosia Mamet So it’s great. Thank you. Thank you, marketing team.

 

Ira Madison III Do they care?

 

Zosia Mamet They do care.

 

Ira Madison III Great. This was lovely. Thank you. Thank you so much for being here.

 

Zosia Mamet Thank you for having me. I so appreciate it.

 

Ira Madison III I put Louis through a lot on this show. Well, the next 20 minutes are going to be his biggest exercise in patience and restraint, because we’re going to talk about Deadpool and Wolverine. The film earned $211 million at the box office this weekend, possibly saving. The recently floundering Marvel Cinematic Universe. I sound like Donald Trump here. The Marvel Cinematic Universe, the focus of Cinematic Universe’s.

 

Louis Virtel Quoth Azealia Banks.

 

Ira Madison III This movie, if you can call it a movie. I mean, I’ve had a whole journey with the MCU. Obviously, I am a marvel comics fan. They’ve had a bunch of blunders lately, and obviously they’re trying to get people re-energized in the franchise. The whole endeavor of caring about these superheroes and Deadpool and Wolverine. I appreciate. On one hand, that is not a movie. You have to do a lot of fucking homework for and for how it’s connected to the rest of the universe. But then also does this work as a movie if you don’t know the other movies or no Marvel comics? Because I feel like it’s just a bunch of, Reddit theories and guesses thrown into a script.

 

Louis Virtel I will say this I saw a lot of, tweets saying that Deadpool is sort of the smarmy est of all these characters in the MCU, because he keeps looking to the audience and pretending like they’re in on whatever joke, the joke of the MCU or, and there’s something smarmy, even though it’s a corporate movie that’s pretending not to be corporate, basically. And I have to say, though, I much rather would hear Deadpool make jokes about this stuff like in universe movie stuff. Then the other thing he does, which is jokes that end in words like gonorrhea, like pulling from some cards against Humanity word bank from 2008. Like that to me, is like very dun, very tired. It must be said, though, if I’m talking about Ryan Reynolds comic instincts, I do think he does the job of being Deadpool like, fine enough. Like, it’s not like my cup of tea. I’m not like an 18 year old dude or whatever, but, in fact, when I run a Billy on the street, we did a game with a, a pedestrian once that I thought was very, pointed and said something interesting. It was called is, Deadpool our joy bearer, and you got a one liner, and you had to identify whether it was Deadpool or Joy bearer. And the thing is, like this, this character is treated like this ne’er do, well, badass, you know, irreverent guy when the fact is you can hear something equally as irreverent and the view every day look like it’s true.

 

Ira Madison III That it’s.

 

Louis Virtel Truly just marketing to make you believe that this, this, this cad is, you know, really serving up, serving up crazy laughs, you know, can he say that kind of stuff?

 

Ira Madison III I mean, Sunny Hostin is always talking about gonorrhea. You. So there’s that also his one liners. I mean, it does feel very old school comedy. Like the the first of all, we’re looking to the camera. Okay. Ferris Bueller. We’ve seen this.

 

Louis Virtel Before. Yeah. Before we move on, the office really turned that into a phenomenon looking into the camera. And I want to say that has always been bad. I think it is bad for comedy. Okay. Go ahead.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. It’s, my least favorite part of it is all of the jokes that are obviously geared towards teenagers. The the STD jokes, the dick jokes, the the gay jokes.

 

Louis Virtel I have to say, they really laid on the gay jokes thick this time. Every once in a while it might get a little bit of a smirk laugh out of me. Something like, there’s a in this particular movie, there’s a villain who puts their hands inside. You see the hand moving around inside their face. And yes, they are really good at this. But at one point, Deadpool goes, they put their fingers inside of me, and not in a good way. I’m sorry. It’s like. It’s so like it was.

 

Ira Madison III Funny.

 

Louis Virtel But I laugh, I laugh.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, I will say. A spoiler alert. Two jokes that I laughed at, had nothing to do with the MCU. And they were just good old fashioned pop culture jokes, because I feel like the main problem with this movie, too, is it’s one of those films that equates a pop culture reference with telling a joke, right?

 

Louis Virtel Which I have. I have that syndrome myself, so I like. Yeah.

 

Ira Madison III But just saying Van Wilder isn’t funny. Right? Right, right. No, but there was a joke which was completely unexpected about Hugh Jackman’s divorce. Yes. Which I screamed at. And then the second one was expected. But, Jennifer Garner making a Ben Affleck joke was also very funny.

 

Louis Virtel Also, it must be said. So there are these surprise cameos in it, which I’m. This is keep it. I cannot imagine if you listen to this podcast, you were concerned about cameos in the movie Deadpool and Wolverine, so I’m just going to go for it.

 

Ira Madison III And if you are, you’ve seen the movie already.

 

Louis Virtel Right, right. So Jennifer Garner appears as Electra, and then you’ve got Channing Tatum as Gambit.

 

Ira Madison III Yes, because there were supposed to be a Gambit movie starring Channing Tatum. That Fox is going to make. That never happened. And, that was the whole joke, when he kept the. All of these characters, by the way, are appearing of this place called the Void. The concept of Deadpool and Wolverine is basically that the TVA is keeping track of all the timelines and the main timeline, which is Earth 616. Is the sacred timeline, and that’s where the main Marvel Cinematic Universe movies are taking place. And so there’s this idea that the void is where all these old Fox films have now been shuttered, because they no longer have a place within any of the timelines. And so Gambit appearing, from this movie that never happened was very funny. And that was my favorite part of the movie, by the way. Channing Tatum is our maybe our generation’s, I mean, our specific generation’s funniest actor.

 

Louis Virtel Oh, that’s a crazy thing to say.

 

Ira Madison III Well, I say funniest actor. I don’t mean like comedian. I don’t mean like like he’s like, funniest as a comedian. I mean, in terms of actor who was just purely an actor and doesn’t do standup or comedy in general, I think he’s the funniest.

 

Louis Virtel Okay, so I will have to think about that and meditate and come up with a rejoinder. I see what you mean now.

 

Ira Madison III But he has great comic timing for someone who’s not a comedian.

 

Louis Virtel Right, right. I will say, though, these these were cameos in the movie. I feel like they had more to do than Wolverine did. The weirdest thing to me about this movie is that Wolverine is sort of just sauntering around, like, gets no signature moment and does not. I mean, obviously I’m not an X-Men super fan or a superhero movie super fan, but nothing this character does reminds me of any character you’d run to a movie to see. He is just sort of sullen and has a has a couple of like, small quips, but otherwise is sort of standing to the side while Deadpool does his, you know, jokey shtick at us. And I will say the hardest thing about this movie, and I do think it gets incredibly dull after a while. This is for me. Not.

 

Ira Madison III There’s no.

 

Louis Virtel Plot. This is not a thumbs up movie. And in fact, there’s no scene in this movie that has any dynamics, like characters are rushing in or it doesn’t feel like you’re in. There’s no energy in any scenes. People standing around while CGI is nearby, you know, it almost feels like it was shot during the pandemic. I think the problem with this movie, it ultimately all rests on Deadpool and telling jokes, and you just don’t need two hours and ten minutes of that.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. It also feels very listless as a movie because it’s not connected to any of the other movies, really. It’s sort of feels like, well, what’s the point? Yeah. And then the overall emotional arc of the film doesn’t seem to matter, because characters like Marina Back, Red’s, character, who is Deadpool’s love interest. It matters, I guess, if you remember the first two movies very well, but her character and the other characters who he’s tried to save, by the way, only appear within maybe the first ten minutes of the film and then completely vanish. And so you don’t even have sort of like the general superhero thing that you would get maybe in the Spider-Man movies, right? Of his friends and love interest constantly being in peril and trying to save them. So you get the emotional hook here. This is like, here are these people Deadpool cares about, then they’re not in the rest of the movie. But ostensibly the movie is about him saving their lives, right?

 

Louis Virtel Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do want to say it. Morena Baccarin looked stunning. Oh, I’ve been a fan since last show she was on, which was like a B-minus. But I did watch every episode we gave. Yeah, a weird TV show to be just on network TV. I think she was nominated for an Emmy for homeland to.

 

Ira Madison III But that was post lost and sort of the Battlestar reboot when every network had an alien show.

 

Louis Virtel Yes, that’s exactly the point in 2009 ish, right?

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. I will also say the thing about Wolverine, and I feels like the concept of the movie is sort of why Wolverine is sort of, does it matter? And does it get any iconic moments in the film, because the plot of the movie is that Wolverine dying in Logan is the reason why their timeline is sort of crashing? Because they’ve lost an anchor? Yeah. And this then means that Deadpool is searching through different timelines to find a wolverine who can exist in this timeline and keep it alive. However. The very concept of that being. The plot of the film means that the wolverine that he’s going to find has no connection to any Wolverine that we’ve watched in a previous film, and so there’s no emotional hook there. Everything that you’ve experienced watching a marvel movie, seeing Wolverine has never happened for this Wolverine. Right. So why do we care?

 

Louis Virtel It’s it’s it’s like the newest Halloween movies or whatever. Like they just.

 

Ira Madison III Pick. Yeah.

 

Louis Virtel Various chapters to totally erase. So. You’re right. No, you’re just watching him. And the angle he has in this one is this. This particular Wolverine happens to be an alcoholic, but that also just makes him drowsy and not saying much. It’s just not a very dynamic choice.

 

Ira Madison III So then the entire point of the movie is kind of cynical because it’s you’re just paying this money to go see a marvel movie, to see Wolverine, because fans are just going to go see a movie with Hugh Jackman in it. Right? And it has it. It doesn’t matter if it’s connected to any of the previous ones. It’s just to see Hugh Jackman, which I will comment on when we get to my keep it.

 

Louis Virtel Oh, exciting. I’m. The suspense is killing me. I will say Matthew Macfadyen in this movie, who plays dad. So it was, enjoyable in a role I expect he will, a kind of role he will do again and again, which is a smarmy corporate type. You may have known that he won a couple of Emmys for playing one on succession. He’s an actor I always like seeing, even though I think his vibes are bad and he might be rude.

 

Ira Madison III I will also say that I like the joke about him being miscast in Pride and Prejudice.

 

Louis Virtel Right? And by the way, he wasn’t he was smashing in that movie.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Also, speaking of succession, it’s not going to be in my keep it. So I don’t know what else I’m going to have to bring this up in the show. Succession, the the place that Roman Roy lived in. The series, plays a big part in a Netflix show that I was watching. Oh, all of yesterday. Truly, I started the show because, Paul McCallion, recommended that I watch it. It’s owning Manhattan on Netflix, another reality series, but it stars Ryan Sergent, who used to be on $1 million Listing in New York, and he had a one season spin off. So like Sergeant, that never went anywhere. But this series is about his real estate company in New York. And it sort of ends with him getting the succession apartment, to hopefully sell. It is great, and I love that it is. You think it’s going to be sort of selling sunset ish, but it really is just about different people at the company and the different things that they’re selling. Like this, this, girl from the South, Savannah, Chrishell Cote it. I feel like all these reality shows throw a chrishell on their show like some aunjanue from the South. She’s there and she’s doing rentals to make it. There’s this black woman, Tricia Lee, who’s sort of like the queen of Brooklyn, and she’s trying to make it in Manhattan. I think it’s just a fun and messy show, and I really enjoyed it. And I was shocked at the end, in the credits to realize it’s a world of wonder production, too.

 

Louis Virtel Oh, wow. I didn’t realize they had any interest in doing anything outside the room. Reverse.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, and speaking of the universe, Kamala Harris was on Drag Race.

 

Louis Virtel Oh that’s right, yes. Giving giving a message to voters to get this vote. And, it clearly was filmed months ago because there’s no indication that she is the, Democratic nominee are going to be the Democratic nominee or whatever. And she’s there with a the motley as group of people is Motley. You can turn into Motley. Anyway, I just did Lance bass is there, Leslie Jones is there. And they give a little bit of a dance move or something. I guess it was cute to see. I don’t know.

 

Ira Madison III You can absolutely tell that it was filmed months ago and she was not the Democratic nominee, because Rue is not in the clip at all. And none. I do not see ru not being there with, like, if it were Biden, ru would have been.

 

Louis Virtel There right now. Ru was definitely out in Wyoming. He said, yeah. I’ll see you next season.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. So what had the funniest joke, by the way, about how? Copley used to be against fracking when she was running for president before, and now has sort of walked back what she said about fracking. Someone joked about, well. We know who got her to change her mind. RuPaul.

 

Louis Virtel Oh, God.

 

Ira Madison III The fracking is also one of the still baby top ten funniest things in Pop culture ever. It was. And I know that that’s a sliding scale of top ten funniest things, but there is really just something about the drag queen. Yeah. Going. No.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah. It’s just a random connection. It’s so strange. It’s such a funny Twitter only moment that occurred.

 

Ira Madison III Well. Deadpool and Wolverine.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah. Not for me. I mean, for me, it’s a one and a half star movie and that’s on a four star scale. As you know, I’m Leonard Maltin.

 

Ira Madison III I gave it one. I gave it one on Letterboxd, and that’s a five star scale.

 

Louis Virtel It did have some jokes that made me laugh, and I think there are a couple of good performances. I said, Emma Corrin and Matthew Macfadyen, and Deadpool is Deadpool in it up?

 

Ira Madison III You know what? You might have gotten me to give it another star. Two out of five stars seems appropriate. I was being nasty. Yeah. When I left the theater, I was upset. But now thinking about it again, maybe I enjoyed it a bit more.

 

Louis Virtel Namely, I mean, obviously it gets terrible when it turns into the CGI fest and the villains are eliminating each other the way they always eliminate each other, like the cliche of it is unbearable. That said so, but I did have an enjoyable, zero calorie Mr. Pibb.

 

Ira Madison III Oh, baby, let’s talk about those freestyle soda machines. Oh, AMC has.

 

Louis Virtel Excuse.

 

Ira Madison III Me.

 

Louis Virtel Okay, I feel like I’m at the Wonka factory. Excuse me.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah.

 

Louis Virtel Let me rub my tongue on it.

 

Ira Madison III I’m always drinking Coke Zero at the movies. But last time, when I went to see twisters. And now when I went to see this movie, this has been my first time trying Peach Coke Zero. Ooh, that shit is heaven.

 

Louis Virtel I love peach, any flavor, I always get the Minute Maid, zero calorie peach thing, which is, delicious lemonade.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. These are soda flavors, by the way, that don’t exist anywhere else in the world.

 

Louis Virtel No, I know you.

 

Ira Madison III Can’t go to a bodega and get Peach Coke Zero.

 

Louis Virtel It’s like. It’s like I. But you drink it, I can’t explain. It’s really creepy.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, if that took her jobs, I’m fine. Yeah.

 

Louis Virtel Please. I’m there.

 

Ira Madison III All right. We will be right back with keep It. And we are back with our favorite segment of the episode. It’s keep it. Louis, what’s going on?

 

Louis Virtel Okay, well, last week I talked about Presumed Innocent, the Jake Gyllenhaal not limited series that’s picked up for another season, but it seems like a limited series based off the Scott Turow book, which became a Harrison Ford movie. And it was a, not only a really famous book and really famous movie, but people really know the ending of this twisted legal caper. And I was one episode short of the finishing the whole first season, and I assume we’d be getting the ending. We got the original series. This is going to start off as something complimentary and then turn into a keep it. I’ve never seen this done before. You think you’re getting the ending from the original show? Jake Gyllenhaal is is beginning to explain to his wife, who in the original, movie, this is a spoiler is the person who did it. The his wife did it, and she’s played by Bonnie Bedelia in the original and this one.

 

Ira Madison III And, sorry. Remind me who plays his wife in the new one?

 

Louis Virtel Ruth Negga.

 

Ira Madison III What you call me?

 

Louis Virtel There we go.

 

Ira Madison III Ruth Neither. Okay.

 

Louis Virtel That was elegantly timed. Usually it’s, like, really back and forth. But you waited a moment that time.

 

Ira Madison III All right. Yeah.

 

Louis Virtel So Jake Gyllenhaal is explaining to Ruth Negga, go ahead.

 

Ira Madison III Ruth Neither. Louis.

 

Louis Virtel Oh, sorry. It’s explaining to her how he realized she did it and how he then covered for her by moving the body in a particular way so that people would think it was him. But then, his daughter walks in and explains that, in fact, she took the mother’s car and she did it. And it’s kind of cool that you are that there’s that fake out, like, oh, I think I’m just getting a remake. But in fact, they did something else to this TV show, except it’s a completely absurd that this teenage girl fucking club, this woman makes no sense. By the way, the woman club did that. Is that, Renata Reinsdorf, who was in, the worst person in the world and who was amazing in that movie, and gives a good performance here, but she doesn’t have as much to do. But they go, wait.

 

Ira Madison III Is isn’t that, like, what is it that like the ending of Mare of Easttown?

 

Louis Virtel It’s not only like Mare of Easttown. It’s also like sharp objects where suddenly it’s like, wait, excuse me, Eliza Scanlen beat up the town or whatever happened. Girl, I would have seen that. Yeah. Yeah. Very mare of Easttown also. But they they. So they show the scenes of her, going to this woman’s house and then eventually hitting her with a fire poker or whatever. Absolutely not. It makes no sense. This person would leap into a homicidal rage because her dad is cheating on her mom. It just makes no sense at all. But anyway, this show is picked up. So now the show is going to be about this whole family has this secret together, and I guess they’ll have to, you know, it’s very Big Little Lies season two, right? They all have this. They all know that Zoe Kravitz puts the Skarsgard character. And so then now they have to keep it or turn themselves in or whatever happens next.

 

Ira Madison III Well, what I love about that is you will now get to see David Kelley do his David Kelley shit. Quite because he’s not really adapting a work anymore. Now he’s just freestyling, right? As it were, like a Coke machine. Because Big Little Lies, also David E Kelly. Right? Once we get to season two, it’s David Kelley.

 

Louis Virtel And also, I mean, it just what is happening in season two of that show. Obviously you get the Merrill screaming GIF, but lots of up is down in that season. Isn’t somebody like somebody’s mom turns out to be a little bit paranormal or something?

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, I will say that when you watch Big Little Lies season two, you get the crazy theory of Meryl Streep putting the cross in her mouth and everything, and then the, cross-examination in the courtroom when you realize that this is not coming from Liane Moriarty, book, but coming from the man who gave you Smell My Shoe on Boston Public, it makes a lot more sense. That’s true.

 

Louis Virtel You see the power changing hands? Yeah.

 

Ira Madison III I started the series. I already knew how it was ending. From Twitter, I found out how the show ended differently than the film, but I am excited to learn that it will be continuing with these people, because the worst thing they could have done is renewed for season two. And then it became, here’s a different court case, right? Right. Like a different guest star. That would have been annoying.

 

Louis Virtel And also these actors are so good, you want them all doing the same thing again. Like, I can’t wait to see, Peter Sarsgaard again and Jake Gyllenhaal and Ruth Negga, etc.. So.

 

Ira Madison III What you can’t.

 

Louis Virtel Like. There you go. All right. We need a supercut, all of these together at some point right.

 

Ira Madison III Here on the show. Yeah.

 

Louis Virtel That’s true. Yeah. And you can apologize to.

 

Ira Madison III Her.

 

Louis Virtel Ass. I posted to the side. I was not let.

 

Ira Madison III You do the intro.

 

Louis Virtel I was not a part of this, ma’am. Yeah, yeah. IRA, what is it to keep it this way?

 

Ira Madison III All right. Why keep it? Is also a bit of a sequel, like yours was. I am continuing our conversation that we just had about the Marvel Cinematic Universe. As I said. Casting Hugh Jackman, in Deadpool and Wolverine and sort of bringing Wolverine back. But within the plot of the film, this is a Wolverine from a different timeline, so he is not experienced any of the X-Men films that we have experienced, right? His death in Logan, like a very fucking amazing James Mangold film, maybe my favorite X-Men film, to date. And I think most people’s, none of that shit happened to him. And so he’s really just playing the character of Wolverine in general, and it’s really just a cash grab to get people to come and see Hugh Jackman as this character again.

 

Louis Virtel He’s just and the cast.

 

Ira Madison III History be damned.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Which leads me to my Keep It, because this weekend at San Diego Comic-Con, it was announced that Robert Downey Jr will be playing Doctor Doom in Avengers Doomsday. Of course, Robert Downey Jr played Tony Stark in Iron Man and its sequels, and then the Avengers films, and then he left the MCU. And we thought he was done with it. And now he’s back playing a different character. And I get that there’s the concept that there are. There is like a Tony Stark Doom variant in a different timeline. I think it’s a I think it’s in the Ultimates timeline. Do not comment.

 

Louis Virtel You’re not begging to know that.

 

Ira Madison III Okay? I’m not begging to know the information. Okay? I, I like the Avengers comics in the 80s. Okay? I don’t I don’t know about the other shit that they’ve been doing since, but. It’s just so. Craven. You know, like the idea of, like also the Russo brothers are coming back to direct these two films. The two Avengers sequels that he’s going to be in and they’re getting paid reportedly 80 million to do it, and he’s going to be paid more and get a private jet. So now you’re going to have Robert Downey Jr. S jet up in the air with Taylor Swift, too. I hope they don’t hit each other.

 

Louis Virtel Doing some blue Angel shit. Yeah. And stuff. Yeah.

 

Ira Madison III And it’s. I don’t know, it just feels kind of fucked, you know? It’s like we would think that Kevin Frankie would be working on fixing the stories in the universe, and this just sort of seems regressive. You know, it’s not about making the film. It’s not about making Marvel great again. Right? It’s just sort of. Well, here’s a face, you remember. And now he’s going to play Doctor Doom.

 

Louis Virtel Let me say this about Robert Downey Jr, who of course is a recent Oscar winner. So he’s in the universe of things I care about. This man is an enemy to me as long as he doesn’t make a movie called Soap Dish two. That’s what.

 

Ira Madison III He.

 

Louis Virtel Got Robert Downey Jr back in that I want ally McBeal again. I want them to be hearted.

 

Ira Madison III Speaking of David.

 

Louis Virtel Kelly, let’s have them turned into just horrible Republicans. I want to see what like, I want to see them grizzled and old together. And by the way, I want to see Mr. Peter McNichol in the thick of it. He better be there, too.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Honestly. Yeah. Speaking of that David Kelly series, ally McBeal, I would be much more interested in seeing a reboot with Robert Downey Jr’s character in it, because he famously left the series right because of his alcohol issues and was replaced by Jon Bon Jovi.

 

Louis Virtel Right. Who sometimes would just act in things, watch sex in the city. He’ll just be there sometimes.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. That I would be more interested in. This is sort of. Whatever. I don’t really care. I get that some people are excited and I like Robert Downey Jr, but the San Diego Comic-Con clip where he reveals himself is is so insane to me. Just because he takes off the doctor drew mask and he sticks his hands out, sort of like he’s Tony Stark, you know, looking out at his adoring fans, it almost feels like a cult. Yeah. I’m not saying it’s not. I mean, I went to go see Deadpool and Wolverine, and I thought I was done with this damn cinematic universe, but just watching him watch everybody screaming his name and be so excited and looking sort of like, yes, come to me, you know, like that sort of vibe. It’s very. I get why he would be in this space as an actor, especially when his career sort of like crashed and burned. And then he had a miraculous comeback. Which many people in Hollywood have not been able to do, like, to the degree that he did. Yeah, right. To be an iron man, then to become beloved again and then recently get a fucking Oscar. But now it seems like. Is this all we’re going to get from you, Robert?

 

Louis Virtel Yeah. I wonder if the joy is going to run out soon. I mean, like, yeah, like, maybe it gives him something to do. I’m sure he’ll get to be quippy again, which I think is his best asset. Actually, no, he was best in the movie. Chaplin. People need to see the movie. Chaplin. But.

 

Ira Madison III But I don’t know. I just want him doing other things, and, you know, he doesn’t need the money. Maybe he does. But it’s a lot of fucking money and a lot of pomp and circumstance for this role. And I thought we were going to get something else after what I thought was a great turn in Oppenheimer.

 

Louis Virtel So, no. Well, I will say optimistically on that front, I thought we had lost Elizabeth Olsen to WandaVision and Superhero Mess for good. And she appears to be in a new movie with Natasha Leone and Carrie Coon, where she gets to do some real acting. So maybe, maybe he’ll come back. You know what I mean? Like these people. Yeah, they have three weeks off and then they film something with a heart in it. You never know.

 

Ira Madison III Also, the funniest thing about Robert Downey Jr’s reveal before he’s revealed, before he takes off the mask and shows himself. Kevin. Thank you. So it’s the greatest actor who was like, the greatest living actor in the world. Something like that, right? And you hear someone in the audience loudly say, It’s Jared Leto. Is that what they said?

 

Louis Virtel First of all, if I were if I were there, I’d be like Liv Ullmann.

 

Ira Madison III Juliette Binoche. Oh.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah. Right. Yes, she sure is.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Jared Leto. Funniest shit I’ve heard all year.

 

Louis Virtel With his, like, three signature roles. It’s so funny to say he’s the best actor alive.

 

Ira Madison III All right, that’s our show this week.

 

Louis Virtel This will be the last you hear of IRA for a while. If it’s the last thing I do, I will be back next week with some more Olympic fever. And, I’ll also be one wizened year older myself, so we’ll see if I sound way more modern day Kathleen Turner than I do this week.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, I’m going on survivor, too. I’m kidding. Or am I.

 

Louis Virtel You? I would be if. If you told me you were secretly going on Big Brother, I would believe it.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah.

 

Louis Virtel By the way, you should apply for that.

 

Ira Madison III You should do next year, Angela.

 

Louis Virtel I love it, man. It’s.

 

Ira Madison III She wrote about in 10s.

 

Louis Virtel She’s reacting to.

 

Ira Madison III Shopping. And also the fact that, people are mad that she got rid of Matt, and they’ve calling her a bully, which I thought that’s what we wanted. Big brother. Right? Bullying, people were bombarding her real estate page, and her employers had to come out and say she’s playing a character on a reality show. We love her. Stop being weird.

 

Louis Virtel Well. And weird. The theme of the episode. This episode of Sesame Street is brought to you by weird.

 

Ira Madison III But another reality show connection. People dug up a photo of her and Whitney Rose from Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. They are friends.

 

Louis Virtel Weird, if you will.

 

Ira Madison III So this woman has been trying to get on reality TV forever, it seems. And she’s finally done it with Big Brother like she we know all the other CBS shows he’s been on, but this is her, you know, this is her pinnacle here.

 

Louis Virtel She’s like Nurse Betty. She finally made it happen.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, right. Thank you again, Zosia Mamet, for joining us. And you will see Louis next week. Hooray for us! Hooray! Don’t forget to follow Crooked Media on Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok.

 

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Ira Madison III Keep it is a Crooked Media production. Our producer is Chris Lord and our associate producer is Kennedy Hill. Our executive producers are Ira Madison, the third, Louis Virtel, and Kendra James.

 

Louis Virtel Our digital team is Meaghan Patsel, Claudia Shang, and Rachel Gaieski. This episode was recorded and mixed by Evan Sutton. Thank you to Matt DeGroot, David Toles, Kyle Seglin, and Charlotte Landes for production support every week.