February 02, 2023
Dare We Say
No Consent for Success with Austin Crute
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Reunited and it feels so good! Josie, Alycia, and Yasmine welcome their BFF Austin Crute (altogether, all in the U.S. of A.) to talk about everything on their minds: Paris couture fashion week (Doja Cat, Ziwe, Lisa Rinna, oh my!), Keke Palmer’s pregnancy (I’m jealous of that baby), and more.
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TRANSCRIPT
Yasmine Hamady: Hello and welcome back to Dare We Say. Josie Totah: And by that we mean welcome back to Dare We Say Yasmine-- Yasmine Hamady: Hi! Josie Totah: Because she's been gone for now a month. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Yasmine Hamady: I've been gone. Josie Totah: Who knew a little vacation could turn into over 30 days of being abroad. Is that even legal? It is. Yasmine Hamady: It's-- Josie Totah: I think you can visit for three months. Right? Yasmine Hamady: No, it's it's it's legal. What I did was I went for another study abroad program, but this time it was just-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: As an adult. Yasmine Hamady: As an adult. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Interesting. Josie Totah: The subject, life. Yasmine Hamady: The sub-- Yeah. What are you studying? Actually, I'm majoring in life. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Okay. Yasmine Hamady: Right now. Josie Totah: How does it feel to be back? Yasmine Hamady: Oh, my God. It feels so good to be back. And it feels good to be back with my community. With my people, Alycia you're so cute. She's smiling at me like this. [making silent gesture] Like a little like a-- Josie Totah: Alycia is really pretty. Yasmine Hamady: Alycia is really pretty. Josie Totah: You're really pretty. Yasmine Hamady: Can we make this whole episode about-- Josie Totah: Do you know that? Yasmine Hamady: --Alycia being pretty. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Is this pretty privilege part two? Yasmine Hamady: Yes. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Are you guys just going to drag me? Yasmine Hamady: No, you're beautiful. Josie Totah: No. You're just really pretty. Yasmine Hamady: I'm just glad to be back in the stu-- I'm back in the stew. We're cooking in a stew, back to with you all-- Josie Totah: You know you're really pretty right? Yasmine Hamady: I'm grateful to be with the girls. How are you guys? Josie Totah: We're good. I just landed from Chicago. [laugh] Um. Why was I there? No reason. Would I go back? Yasmine Hamady: Did you see-- Josie Totah: No. Yasmine Hamady: Did you see the bean? Josie Totah: But did I have fun? Yes. Yasmine Hamady: Did you flick the bean? Josie Totah: I did come near the bean. Yasmine Hamady: Oh. [laughter] Josie Totah: But I didn't go to it. Yasmine Hamady: You didn't touch the bean. You came near it. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Um. Yasmine Hamady: Yeah? Alycia Pascual-Peña: Do I call HR? Josie Totah: More so around the circumference. They don't have HR here babe. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh got it. Josie Totah: Um anyway, I heard you were painting last night. Alycia Pascual-Peña: I was. Josie Totah: Yeah. Alycia Pascual-Peña: I painted last night with a bunch of friends. Yasmine Hamady: Oh, my God. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Um. We literally just were listening to the music we love and we painted, and it was so therapeutic. Josie Totah: That sounds really nice. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Which sounds so childish. Yasmine Hamady: No, it doesn't. Alycia Pascual-Peña: But it was nice. Yasmine Hamady: I'm sorry. I actually. I was watching-- Josie Totah: --it sounds rich. Yasmine Hamady: It that sounds rich, [laugh] but I was listening to this TikTok, and it was like people need to be painting more with their friends because it actually like it shows a sense of community that you don't always have to be like talking or having stimulating conversations, which is amazing. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Yasmine Hamady: But just like making art with the people you love. Josie Totah: Fun fact, painting used to give me anxiety, which I didn't know. Like, I feel like, is that like a sign of like being a psychopath or mental illness? Alycia Pascual-Peña: No babe. Josie Totah: Because it literally-- Yasmine Hamady: Maybe mental illness. Josie Totah: -made gave me anxious-- Yasmine Hamady: Why? Josie Totah: --thoughts. I don't know. I was just like, if it's not going to be Picasso, like, throw it away and die. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh, I kind of felt that way. Well, you know me, I don't like being um-- Yasmine Hamady: Mediocre. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah, like-- Josie Totah: At anything. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Thank you. Yes. This has now become my therapy session. I don't like being bad at things, but you have to, to try and, like, explore. And-- Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. Alycia Pascual-Peña: My painting was not good, and I was so embarrassed because our friend, he said, Oh, I want to put all the paintings that people make up at the house. And I was, I don't want it-- Josie Totah: Was Jason there? Did he paint something very violent and scary? Alycia Pascual-Peña: He did. Josie Totah: That-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh, my God. Shout out to our bestie, Jason. He painted a slasher and a cannibal. Yasmine Hamady: Yeah I love that yes Dahmer. Josie Totah: Was did Ange just paint like a sun with, like, a big smiley face? Alycia Pascual-Peña: Ange's pai-- Ange's painting was called The Feelings of Her Vagina. Yasmine Hamady: Love. I love this feminist theory. I feel like this that is what's hot-- Josie Totah: I'm obsessed with that. Well, speaking of vaginas. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Josie Totah: We don't our guest doesn't have one. Alycia Pascual-Peña: No. Josie Totah: From what I know. Yasmine Hamady: Our guest does not-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: And I don't want [?] now. Josie Totah: And well unless he wants to then-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Unless he wants to, then we support his journey. Josie Totah: Then we accept that. Alycia Pascual-Peña: But he is one of my favorite people on the planet and we need all of his energy. And I have had the honor of knowing him since I was nine years old. Yasmine Hamady: Geez. Alycia Pascual-Peña: And he's just always been perfect [scream] uh exclamation point. So-- Josie Totah: He's an actor, he's a singer. You may have seen him in iconic films like Booksmart. Yasmine Hamady: Yup. Josie Totah: They slash them. Yasmine Hamady: Yup. Josie Totah: His music or his amazing TikTok videos. That will keep you in a loop. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Josie Totah: Until you have perpetual insomnia. Yasmine Hamady: Yup. Alycia Pascual-Peña: His show Day break. He's just-- Josie Totah: He has one name-- Yasmine Hamady: He's-- Josie Totah: --and one name only. And that is-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: --Austin Crute. [cheers] Yasmine Hamady: The light of every room baby. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Thanks for being here. Hey! Josie Totah: Hi, Austin. Austin Crute: Thank you for having me! Yasmine Hamady: Hi! Alycia Pascual-Peña: How are you doing? Austin Crute: I'm doing so well. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Okay. [?] I'm doing so-- Austin Crute: You know, I feel rejuvenated. You know, I feel good. Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. Austin Crute: You know, the weekend just ended. [collective sigh] I feel I feel good. Josie Totah: The week started. Austin Crute: The week started. I feel like it's time to get the week. It's 2023, you know? Alycia Pascual-Peña: Ok. Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. Austin Crute: I have goals for this year. Yasmine Hamady: What are your goals? Austin Crute: Oh, my God. First of all. Oh, my God. Stop it right now. [laughing] One of my goals is to get a boyfriend in 2023. Yasmine Hamady: Oh! Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh! Period. Yasmine Hamady: Okay. Slay. Austin Crute: Um it needs to happen. Uh. I'm I'm done messing around with y'all DLs and stuff eh. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh. Austin Crute: If you not out. Josie Totah: Speak to them. Speak to them. Austin Crute: Get out. Josie Totah: Let them know. [laughter] Yasmine Hamady: Yeah! Tell it to their face. Austin Crute: If you not out. Get out. Yasmine Hamady: Yep. Austin Crute: Talk to a therapist you need somebody. Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. That's yeah you are not his-- Josie Totah: BetterHelp.com. [laugh] Austin Crute: Yes. Yasmine Hamady: --[indistinct] sponsored event. Austin Crute: Yes. Um. No more of that. Uh. And I'm just, you know, it's giving self um embrace. Yasmine Hamady: Mm. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Okay. Austin Crute: Embracing. Self love, but also self uh encapsulation. I just want to like-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Ooh. Austin Crute: --hug myself. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Okay. Josie Totah: I want to hug myself. Austin Crute: Yeah. Josie Totah: I want to do that. Alycia Pascual-Peña: That's so beautiful. Yasmine Hamady: I want a hug Josie Totah: I think it could be helpful to just paint a little picture um like you did last night. Um uh how you guys know each other. Austin, can you tell us how you and Alycia met? Austin Crute: We did a talent convention-- Yasmine Hamady: I'm dying, I'm dying. Austin Crute: In Orlando, Florida. Yasmine Hamady: Orlando, Florida! Josie Totah: Not just any talent convention. Austin Crute: Yes. Called AMTC. Um. Josie Totah: Which stands for? Austin Crute: Which stands for Actors Models and Talent for Christ. Josie Totah: Right. Austin Crute: And-- Yasmine Hamady: That! Austin Crute: You yes. And like a lot of people, like, came from there, like-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Austin Crute: --Megan Fox came from there. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Just random people. Austin Crute: Random people. Like it was like they would always have, like, this little list and I'd be like, ooh, this person, this person, that person. Josie Totah: Doesn't she, like, worship the devil now? Austin Crute: Like, honestly. Yasmine Hamady: She drinks blood-- Austin Crute: I mean. Yasmine Hamady: --And that kind of-- Austin Crute: After Jennifer's body. Yasmine Hamady: Yeah I feel like-- Josie Totah: Right. It's like can you really go back? Yasmine Hamady: No. Austin Crute: Yeah Josie Totah: You just kind of have to commit. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Yasmine Hamady: Yup. Austin Crute: Um. Alycia Pascual-Peña: But this random convention, like a bunch of actors went to and Austin-- Austin Crute: Yeah. Alycia Pascual-Peña: --and I come from super Christian households. Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. Austin Crute: Yes. Alycia Pascual-Peña: But were, like, always eclectic, artistic kids. Austin Crute: Yeah. Alycia Pascual-Peña: And personally, me, I, like, printed it out and I showed it to my mom and I was like, I want to act. So take me to this. Austin Crute: [gasp] Wow. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Austin Crute: Really? Yasmine Hamady: How old were you? Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah I was nine years old. Yasmine Hamady: Nine oh my god. Alycia Pascual-Peña: And I was like. And I said, Please take me here. Because I kept on hearing-- Austin Crute: Wow. Alycia Pascual-Peña: --like, radio ads. Why am I talking like I lived in the sixties? But it's the truth. And then you were like, the same way. Like. Like-- Austin Crute: Yeah. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Austin's been, like, producing music since he was, like, 12 years old. Austin Crute: Yeah. Alycia Pascual-Peña: It's kind of insane. Yasmine Hamady: Your music is so good now. Austin Crute: Oh, my God. Thank you. Yasmine Hamady: It is so good. Austin Crute: Ah thank you. [said with elongated vowels] Alycia Pascual-Peña: Actually you're one of the most talented people I've ever met in my life. Josie Totah: You still haven't sent me that song. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Austin Crute: Oh, my Gosh. No, You know what? And it's going to happ- Listen. [laugh] Josie Totah: I've been waiting for it. Austin Crute: --and the music video coming the music video dropping very soon-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh purr okay purr Austin Crute: --[?] be getting it finalized. Yasmine Hamady: Okay. All right, All right. Austin Crute: We getting it finalized but, um yeah, like AMTC. That was like, what was that, it was like? Alycia Pascual-Peña: 2011-- Austin Crute: 2011? Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 2010, 2011. Yasmine Hamady: Jesus. Alycia Pascual-Peña: And we, like, met each other in Orlando because he was coming from Atlanta. Austin Crute: Yeah. Alycia Pascual-Peña: I was living in Texas at the time, and we literally were, like, attached at the hip-- Austin Crute: Oh yeah. Alycia Pascual-Peña: The minute we met. Yasmine Hamady: Oh, obviously. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Cause also we weren't like we were we were different. Like, we were like, just very Black-- Austin Crute: Right. Alycia Pascual-Peña: --and loud and like-- Austin Crute: And dancing. Alycia Pascual-Peña: We just loved [indistinct]. Yasmine Hamady: Was it predominantly like a white space? Austin Crute: It was a predominantly white space. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Austin Crute: I would say so. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Yasmine Hamady: Okay. Austin Crute: Um. Because it was very expensive to go there. Yasmine Hamady: Mm okay. Austin Crute: And it it just there was definitely a disparity, probably when it, even though they did help people, like they helped people to attend. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah, it was amazing. Like, fun fact my agency in New York, like, I only met them through this company that I met when I was like nine years old. Austin Crute: Wow. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. But it's funny, I haven't talked about this in detail in forever, but we met in Orlando and then fast forward through all the light years, we always stayed in touch like he just-- Austin Crute: We always stayed in touch. Alycia Pascual-Peña: --was always one of my favorite people. My mom and I-- Austin Crute: Yes! Alycia Pascual-Peña: --showed up to your NYU Hairspray performance like-- Yasmine Hamady: Okay! [banter] Austin Crute: Yes you did! [banter] Josie Totah: Oh my god, [?] play Seaweed? Austin Crute: I did. [banter] Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like whenever I could catch you. Josie Totah: My dream is to play Penny, my dream-- Yasmine Hamady: Yes. Josie Totah: --is to play Penny. Austin Crute: Really? Yasmine Hamady: You are Penny. Austin Crute: Oh, you would be such a good Penny. Josie Totah: That's the dream role. Austin Crute: You'd be a really good Penny. Alycia Pascual-Peña: I want to see that. Yasmine Hamady: You look like a Penny. Josie Totah: [indistinct singing] selfish boy. Austin Crute: Ooh! Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh, okay. Oh. Josie Totah: [singing] Austin Crute: Not the vocals [indistinct]. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Performance. Yasmine Hamady: The bravado. Austin Crute: [indistinct] the vocals. Josie Totah: Now I've tasted chocolate. [still singing] Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh. Yasmine Hamady: Yes. Austin Crute: --tastes like chocolate. [laughter] Alycia Pascual-Peña: I can't. Yasmine Hamady: You guys should do a-- Austin Crute: Okay! Yasmine Hamady: --duet together. [sound of something falling] Austin Crute: Oh, yay! Yasmine Hamady: Josie just fell. She's currently under the table. She's currently under the table. Josie Totah: His impression of me. Alycia Pascual-Peña: I loved it. Yasmine Hamady: Okay Austin Crute: Yay. Alycia Pascual-Peña: That that song about chocolate-- Austin Crute: Oh you should definitely-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: --men, and I want to hear the duet. Austin Crute: Oh, yes, [someone bumping microphone] I think I still remember uh wait what's the song? [starts singing] If I was a selfish fool I'd [?]-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: [starts singing non words along] Josie Totah: Not live in it, living in the-- Austin Crute: Living in the ghetto. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Living in the six-- uh. Austin Crute: Oh yeah. [banter] [indistinct singing from Austin and Josie from the musical Hairspray] [banter] Yasmine Hamady: Slay. Josie Totah: You know fun fact, [indistinct talking in background] that was the first show I ever saw on Broadway when I was five years old. Austin Crute: Really? Yasmine Hamady: Really? [banter] Are you guys following Nikki Bronsky [correction: Blonksy] on TikTok? The girl who was in Hairspray the movie. Alycia Pascual-Peña: No. Yasmine Hamady: She, Blonsky. She's, like, not doing any acting now. I think she's doing hair. And she's just-- [spoken together by Austin and Alycia] Really? Yasmine Hamady: --live, laughing and loving and like-- Josie Totah: That makes sense. Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. She's just doing hair. Spray. Austin Crute: Uh. Yasmine Hamady: All right. I think we can end it right there. Alycia Pascual-Peña: I know. I'm just excited that you're here. All that goes to say like we talk about it probably every time we see each other. And it makes me feel like a old auntie because of it. But every time I see you, I'm like, can you believe that we are living in L.A. Austin Crute: I know! Alycia Pascual-Peña: Doing the thing that we said we were going to do when we were nine. Austin Crute: And we have been said it. I remember [?]-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: We been said it. You had more confidence than I did and you would always tell me, don't do that, and don't say that because I would always be like, I don't know like I just was a lot more shy at that time, which is hard to believe because I was still outspoken and loud. But Austin knew. Austin knew. Austin Crute: I'm I'm a credit my family. Josie Totah: [indistinct]. Austin Crute: I'm a credit my mother-- Yasmine Hamady: Yes, yup. Austin Crute: For speaking-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Period. Austin Crute: --Life into-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Period. Austin Crute: --me. Yasmine Hamady: Oh yes manifestation. Alycia Pascual-Peña: In the name of Jesus. Austin Crute: Yes. Yes. And encouraging me. And I was like, I'm not taking no for an answer. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Yasmine Hamady: No. Alycia Pascual-Peña: And you never did. Yasmine Hamady: As you should and I feel like that's something so rare to find these days [?]-- Josie Totah: We don't ask consent for success. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh. Yasmine Hamady: Oh! Austin Crute: Oh! Yasmine Hamady: Why am I loving that? Josie Totah: For everything else. Yes, like 100%. Please. [banter]. Yasmine Hamady: Success. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Okay Oprah. Yasmine Hamady: That was that was [indistinct talking in background] as good as, were you silent or silenced? Alycia Pascual-Peña: Silenced. Josie Totah: You know, I saw a documentary last weekend while I was in the great state of Utah-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Wow [?]. Josie Totah: Um. About the artist, Little Richard. And he-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: I love him. Josie Totah: --said he said a quote that I think is amazing and I think it would resonate with you. He said, I'm convinced I'm not conceited. Yasmine Hamady: Oh. Alycia Pascual-Peña: I love that. Yasmine Hamady: --shit that was really good. Alycia Pascual-Peña: That is the definition of Austin. And it's-- Austin Crute: Yes. Alycia Pascual-Peña: I always-- [banter] Josie Totah: Or I'm not conceited, I'm convinced. Austin Crute: I'm not conceited-- Josie Totah: It sounds better that way. Austin Crute: --I'm convinced. Josie Totah: Right. Alycia Pascual-Peña: That's a bar. But no, that generally has been you because you've always been the most lovely kind person. It's genuinely why you're like over the years, one of the people I like consistently, I'm like, he's one of my favorite, I love him. I want to see him win I want to see him thrive, even if it's been a year or a month since we've seen each other. I love you. Austin Crute: Yes! Alycia Pascual-Peña: But that's why I always, like even now, will be at a bar in L.A. and I'm like my little nine year old bestie because I kind of looked up to you. Do you know that? Austin Crute: No, I mean like-- Yasmine Hamady: Oh! Josie Totah: He's like, [?]. Austin Crute: I was always like a little-- Josie Totah: Yeah. Alycia Pascual-Peña: He's like absolutely. Austin Crute: Uh uh. Stop it. Yasmine Hamady: I actually did know that so. Alycia Pascual-Peña: He's like for fucking sure bitch. Austin Crute: No, though you know who um sent me um who got me on Snapchat? Inam. You remember Inam? [?] Alycia Pascual-Peña: Child. Yes. And he's here now too. Austin Crute: And we started talking about you. Yes. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Wait aw. Austin Crute: Yes. And um it's funny. So I did my twenties music video in 2020. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Austin Crute: And he was going to be one of the people that was like-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Ooh. Austin Crute: That was going to be dancing. Alycia Pascual-Peña: He's a krumper yeah uh. Austin Crute: Yeah he a krumper. He's like, real like [whoop] you got served it's giving, you got served vibes. Yasmine Hamady: Okay. Austin Crute: It's giving step up 2: the streets. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Purr. Austin Crute: And um-- Yasmine Hamady: Oh such a good film. Austin Crute: No, such a good film. Oh my gosh, shout out Moose in that film. Yasmine Hamady: Snubbed by the Oscars. Step up. Austin Crute: Yeah I know. Yasmine Hamady: I think about it every day. Austin Crute: No literally though. Yasmine Hamady: I really do think about it every day. Austin Crute: And honestly, like shout out the academy and everything. But I feel like we definitely need to-- Yasmine Hamady: But not the, but step up? Austin Crute: --expand. Exactly. Step up. Horror movies. Alycia Pascual-Peña: No what they need to do is bring back step up so we could be in it. Austin Crute: No. Okay. Yasmine Hamady: Okay. This is a, yup. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Anyway, we're happy that you're here. We're happy to get into it. Yasmine Hamady: Yeah this is-- Austin Crute: Oh, thank you. Happy to be here. Alycia Pascual-Peña: It's [?]. Josie Totah: Also, may I just say I had the privilege of spending a week with Austin in the country of Scotland. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh yes. Austin Crute: In Scotland Josie Totah: And I had literally had never hung out with him before. We had literally-- [banter] Alycia Pascual-Peña: --never hung out one on one. Josie Totah: We had-- Yasmine Hamady: Not once. Austin Crute: No yeah Josie Totah: --probably only seen each other twice. Austin Crute: Yeah. Josie Totah: Before that. And we spent seven days together. I swear to God, I slept like 4 hours a night because we would stay up talking like I felt like a middle schooler. Yasmine Hamady: Aw! Austin Crute: No, literally, we were like be staying up talking, eating our little food. It was so and even like going to the club and just being out, that was so fun. And you know how to have fun. You know how to have a good time. [banter] Yasmine Hamady: Yeah she does. Josie Totah: Honored. Honored that you say that because you're the definition of that to me. Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. [banter] Alycia Pascual-Peña: And you don't think that about a lot of people. Austin Crute: No really. Alycia Pascual-Peña: You and I don't. Austin Crute: Really. Really [?] [voices getting louder indistinct] Alycia Pascual-Peña: [indistinct] like this, you and I be like this. Josie Totah: I consider Alycia like the highest standard of that, that stuff. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Wow thank you. Josie Totah: But I also-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: We turn it on. Josie Totah: You're on her same level. Austin Crute: Oh my god. Josie Totah: So to think that you were met with good and happiness-- Austin Crute: No. Josie Totah: Just makes me happy. Austin Crute: Very much so. And it's like-- Josie Totah: And you were the-- Austin Crute: --whenever I go to another place too, it's like, okay, is there is is the party scene, is the club going to be American vibes? Because there's a lot of oontz oontz. Yasmine Hamady: Yeah, what's the tea? Yeah yeah yeah. [spoken together by Austin and Alycia] There's a lot of oontz oontz. Austin Crute: There's a lot of oontz oontz everywhere and shout out to the oontz oontz community. Yasmine Hamady: Not the oontz oontz community. Not the Berlin-- Austin Crute: Shout out to the oontz oontz. Yasmine Hamady: --underground techno. Austin Crute: Yes. Yasmine Hamady: Like awful ketamine-- Austin Crute: And it's the Berlin-- [indistinct banter]. Josie Totah: We did oontz oontz. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Can you do it though? I feel like you can, because you studied abroad and when you came back from abroad-- Austin Crute: Oh yes. Yasmine Hamady: Where did you study abroad? Alycia Pascual-Peña: --you were a new person. Austin Crute: Berlin. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Yasmine Hamady: Shut the fuck up. Austin Crute: I know. I know. Yasmine Hamady: Oh my god. Oh [?]. Austin Crute: Yup. Alycia Pascual-Peña: He had a time. You had a time. Austin Crute: Oh I had a time. Yasmine Hamady: Leather latex slay sex clubs. Austin Crute: Yeah. Yasmine Hamady: --red light. Not Amsterdam. Austin Crute: You know, I would be straight if I didn't go to Berlin. Josie Totah: Berghain. Yasmine Hamady: Oh. Josie Totah: Period. Shout out to--. Alycia Pascual-Peña: I will never forget that coffee date. Do you remember that coffee date? Austin Crute: Wooo! Alycia Pascual-Peña: And you were like bitch I'm, and I said, I know. Josie Totah: All we're going to say is hola you know who you are. Austin Crute: Right. You know who you are. Oh. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Period. Austin Crute: Woo! Yeah. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Y'all are so annoying. Josie Totah: Deep cut, deep cut. Yasmine Hamady: That was good. That was good. Austin Crute: You know who you are. Hey. [music break] Josie Totah: Let's talk about some of the stuff that's bog-- bothering us, bugging us, making us itch in the news. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Or making us happy. Yasmine Hamady: Making us itch [?]. Josie Totah: Or making us happy. Yasmine Hamady: I really want to talk about something that's been on my mind, taking up so much real estate as I was-- Josie Totah: You've been on my mind. [singing] Yasmine Hamady: Been on my mind. [singing] Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh. Yasmine Hamady: Um. [singing diva like] Austin Crute: Okay. [banter] Yasmine Hamady: I've been just. No, I've been just thinking about Paris Fashion Week. And because of that, I'm putting on my sunglasses. Because if I'm going to be Anna Wintour, I'm going to be Anna Wintour. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Tour. Yasmine Hamady: So let's give a tour. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Give. Yasmine Hamady: Alright so Paris Fashion Week happened. Do we like it? Have we watched any TikTok clips about it? Alycia Pascual-Peña: I have. Austin Crute: Yes. Alycia Pascual-Peña: I have. Yasmine Hamady: Okay we do. Alycia Pascual-Peña: I saw some upside-down dresses and I saw some lions and all that shit. I know. Austin Crute: Oh, yes. Yasmine Hamady: Okay. Austin Crute: The sideways dress. I was like, okay, that's a choice. [indistinct] Yasmine Hamady: All right. So I want to start off with Schiaparelli, because that's exactly what the Lions dress was. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Yasmine Hamady: And you see, Irina Shayk. Is that her name? Irina Shark? She's-- Austin Crute: The model. Yasmine Hamady: --Bradley Cooper's ex. The model she is she could step on my neck. She was. She walked in and she was wearing a black gown with a faux, I want to say faux lion's head on it. And you also-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Yasmine Hamady: --saw Naomi Campbell. Josie Totah: Wait so did Kylie Jenner didn't she wear that too? Yasmine Hamady: Exactly. Kylie Jenner wore the same one. And Kylie's a Leo, so she knew exactly what she was doing-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Wait. Yasmine Hamady: --being the center of attention. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Please mistake me if I'm wrong. Yasmine Hamady: Yeah talk to me. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Cause I'm not really a bougie gal, [bumping microphone] but for those events, don't they all get dressed and they know what everybody's wearing? Yasmine Hamady: Correct. Yep. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh, so it's messy. Yasmine Hamady: So it's not I don't know if it's messy, but they did it on purpose, so Kylie wanted to go in-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Huh. Yasmine Hamady: --sitting front row next to who, I'll get to Doja Cat in a second. But she was there and she wore the exact same dress that was premiering and debuting on the runway. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh. Yasmine Hamady: So that was a big oh. Austin Crute: That was a oh, and I did notice-- Yasmine Hamady: Yeah? Austin Crute: That the designer was like, okay, let me make the model's dress have the open mouth lion. Yasmine Hamady: Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh! Austin Crute: And then Kylie had the closed mouth. Yasmine Hamady: Yes exactly. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh! Josie Totah: Wait so you're saying so the head on the dress-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: I actually didn't know that. Austin Crute: Was-- Josie Totah: --it's mouth was closed. Yasmine Hamady: No it was different. Austin Crute: --giving Aslan. It was talking. Yasmine Hamady: Yup. Josie Totah: So which one do you think-- Austin Crute: --it was talking to us. Josie Totah: Which one was winning? Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh yeah. Josie Totah: The open mouth or the closed mouth? Austin Crute: You know what I personally-- Josie Totah: Like which one was the higher up? Austin Crute: --liked-- Yasmine Hamady: I'm afraid for you. Austin Crute: The open mouth. Yasmine Hamady: I agree. I agree. I agree. Austin Crute: I like the open mouth. It was just giving [rolls tongue] it was giving like ooh I'm saying-- Yasmine Hamady: Yes. Austin Crute: --something. Like it was-- Yasmine Hamady: Yes. Austin Crute: --giving communication. It was like the closed mouth is like, all right. So I just have like a big plushy brooch-- Yasmine Hamady: It was a very big-- Austin Crute: --on-- Yasmine Hamady: --brooch. But here's the thing. There were so many animal aspects having animal heads and yes, they were all faux, but I just pose the question. Schiaparelli. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Ooh. Yasmine Hamady: I understand art. I love art. I love art is in the eye of the beholder, but I just don't think it was giving anything. But, you know who did make a fucking debut? It was Doja Cat. Doja Cat with 30,000-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Swarovski crystals. Yasmine Hamady: --red swarovski crystals all over her body, a red satin corset [makes sucking sound] tits to the gods. Her dress was red beaded and Pat McGrath and her team did her makeup, and it took them-- Austin Crute: Wow. Yasmine Hamady: --over five plus hours-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Yasmine Hamady: --to do everything. Austin Crute: Oh that's [?]. Josie Totah: People don't dress like that anymore. Yasmine Hamady: No and I-- Josie Totah: That reminded me of a 2010 pink Lady Gaga era. Yasmine Hamady: Yes! Austin Crute: Yes. Yasmine Hamady: Thank you. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Also somebody said she's not worrying, which I think people are just beautiful however they-- Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. Alycia Pascual-Peña: --show up and come. But someone I think said it perfectly. They were like, she's not worried about being desired like aesthetically. She's worried about making a moment and having fun and having creativity. Yasmine Hamady: Yes yes. Alycia Pascual-Peña: And I love that about fashion. Josie Totah: Yes, they said this is what dressing for the female gaze and for the gaze of art-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah! Yasmine Hamady: Yes Josie Totah: --is like as opposed-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: And I-- Josie Totah: --to the male gaze. Alycia Pascual-Peña: I love that. And, you know, I also love that she clapped back the next day at the show because everybody, it's like-- Yasmine Hamady: What are you wearing? What what are you doing? Exactly. Alycia Pascual-Peña: What are you wearing? Why do you have no eyelashes on? Why do you have no lashes? There's no contour. You could have given us more. Yasmine Hamady: The fact that they're asking for that? No. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Insane. So she just wore a mustache that was eyelashes. Austin Crute: Out of lashes. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like, I love the expression. I love the creativity. I love that she doesn't feel like confined to a box. And I thought it was super cool. Also, the way I do not have the patience to have sat there in those crystals. Yasmine Hamady: No. No. Austin Crute: Oh yeah. Alycia Pascual-Peña: I think just like sensory wise, it would've been a lot for me. So I'm like, kudos to her. Also, it it saddens me that for fashion we get lost in you know, the quote unquote "gimmicky looks" not to tear down like any house or anything, but the gimmicky looks that get the a lot of press-- Yasmine Hamady: Like what? Alycia Pascual-Peña: When like, you know, like, oh, the lion's head or whatever it may be. Yasmine Hamady: Sure. Alycia Pascual-Peña: When there was a I'm I don't want to butcher her name but she's a dark complexion model. She wore a dress that is stunning in the Schiaparelli show. Yasmine Hamady: I know exactly I know exactly the-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Stunning. Yasmine Hamady: --black with the white. Alycia Pascual-Peña: The tailoring is stunning that-- Yasmine Hamady: So that's-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: That is art. That is upper echelon fashion. That is that was worthy of the Paris week. I'm not saying the other looks weren't. But that dress nobody talked about. Yasmine Hamady: Oh Alycia so that's-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Because it's like-- Yasmine Hamady: Exactly. Alycia Pascual-Peña: --what is most shocking? What is the most avant garde? Yasmine Hamady: Yup. Alycia Pascual-Peña: So let's talk about that, which I get. There's an aspect of fashion. Yasmine Hamady: Right. Alycia Pascual-Peña: But then it's unfortunate because it's like when we talk about upper echelon and like brand names and stuff, and mind you, I'm not even one of those girls. We talk about tailoring and creativity and the art of fashion. Yasmine Hamady: So-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: And then those looks don't get talked about because we like spectacle. Yasmine Hamady: So during Schiaparelli, there were so many, sm-- not smaller pieces, but more simple, beautiful-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Yasmine Hamady: --elegant, gorgeous-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. But coutour moments. Yasmine Hamady: --[?] pieces, couture moments that were so overlooked because you had a fucking lion's head on a black satin dress or you had a wolf on a dress. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Yasmine Hamady: And I just don't think we were focusing on the wrong things when look how beautiful-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Agreed. Austin Crute: Yeah. Yasmine Hamady: These other outfits are. But we're not going to give too much away for Schiaparelli. But the next one, I really have a bone to pick with Viktor and Rolf. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Mm oh tea. Yasmine Hamady: So they were the ones who, oh, Austin has something to say! Austin Crute: Well I know I I-- Yasmine Hamady: No no. I want you to say it before, I even go in. Austin Crute: --heard a little bit about Viktor and Rolf-- Yasmine Hamady: I can't with them. Austin Crute: I want to kow what you say. Josie Totah: Tell us. Austin Crute: I want to know [indistinct] Josie Totah: Tell us what you heard. [clapping] Tell us what you heard Austin. Yasmine Hamady: Talk your shit. Austin Crute: No. I. Yes, [indistinct talking in background] I heard a little bit about it, but I don't really know enough about it. Yasmine Hamady: I'll tell you the tea. And then I want to give-- Austin Crute: I saw it on Twitter. I saw it on Twitter. Yasmine Hamady: Exactly. It was on-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Wait I actually don't know anything about this. [banter] Yasmine Hamady: So so-- Josie Totah: Same. Yasmine Hamady: Viktor and Rolf, they basically had a whole couture show where they had a lot of women. Also, can I just say all because you have Paloma Elsesser who is my favorite model in the runway for one curve model. Doesn't mean that you're fi-- like you're not doing anything crazy and bold by having one curve model there? Everyone is still a size double negative fifty thousand zero and everyone is just walking like it's so disturbing to see that. But all the models were wearing a nude corset like a nude bra and something cinching their waist. And then the dresses were either sideways-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah yeah yeah. Okay I saw-- Yasmine Hamady: The dresses were all, the dresses it looked like Elphaba was going to wear it while she was singing defying gravity in Wicked. Josie Totah: What do you mean by sideways? Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like-- Yasmine Hamady: Like physically sideways. Austin Crute: So like literally she would be-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: --physically. Austin Crute: --standing there and-- Josie Totah: Oh. Austin Crute: --the dress-- Yasmine Hamady: The dress is holding on. Josie Totah: Like the waist, the waist-- Yasmine Hamady: No the whole dress. Austin Crute: Right. Alycia Pascual-Peña: The whole. Austin Crute: Like. Yasmine Hamady: The whole thing. Austin Crute: Like, for I don't know how they did it. Josie Totah: The silhouette was slanted. Austin Crute: She can't walk. Josie Totah: Does it look like she's running? Alycia Pascual-Peña: No. [banter] Austin Crute: It's like literally, like somebody put a dress on photoshop-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: And then it closed out-- Austin Crute: ---a dress on her sideways. Josie Totah: Oh, I totally understand what you're saying now. Alycia Pascual-Peña: And then it closed out-- Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. Alycia Pascual-Peña: --with a dress that was upside down. Yasmine Hamady: So-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: So you literally didn't see the model's face. Yasmine Hamady: Exactly. Austin Crute: I know I was like [indistinct]. Yasmine Hamady: So no-- Josie Totah: So the dress is perpendicular to the-- Yasmine Hamady: So the dress-- there's so many. And then another-- Josie Totah: --model. Yasmine Hamady: --dress was like there was an attachment and rod that was in front of the model. And so it was walking in front of the model like, listen, once again, we're going back to the basics of, yes, we love art. Yes, I love something that is deeper than what the meaning actually is. I understand that. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Same. Yasmine Hamady: But at what point it's like no one's going to wear that. And I think in the coming months we're going to see that on the red carpet. Who's wearing Viktor and Rolf? Because I know damn well not many people will be. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Well it takes a risk. Yasmine Hamady: Sorry. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like, that's the thing. I think fashion's a risk. But then sometimes it's like and it's a super like thin line, right? Because it's like it's expressive, it's art, it's supposed to take risk. But then to an extent, it's like, is it coming from a sincere place of like expression and creativity or is it gimmicky and spectacle so now we're all talking about it. Josie Totah: But also who are you to say that? Alycia Pascual-Peña: That's the thing. I was just going to say I'm not. Yasmine Hamady: Exactly art isn't-- Josie Totah: Because you're not the one designing it? Alycia Pascual-Peña: I know. Josie Totah: You know what I mean? Alycia Pascual-Peña: But that's what I'm saying. I think sometimes-- Josie Totah: And not not who are you? But who are we rather. Alycia Pascual-Peña: No, but that's why I prefaced it from the beginning. I actually-- Josie Totah: I guess it is [?]. Alycia Pascual-Peña: I'm not a couture girl. I'm not a name brand girl. I actually not up until, like the last four or five years have I paid attention to shows. And I know houses that I like, like I like Mugler and other stuff. Yasmine Hamady: We'll get to Mugler in a sec. Alycia Pascual-Peña: That's the thing. You just never know. But when you do, like, read things in like Vogue or like you listen to certain insider fashion girlies, like one of my favorite TikTok-ers. And ugh I'm so sad I'm forgetting her name. She does like sustainable influencing and deinfluencing. Yasmine Hamady: I don't know. No. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Um. I'm going to want to look her up. But anyways, she talks about it's beautiful that we're taking risk in creativity and you never know like a designer's intention. But the issue is the lack of quality. She's like, why are we looking at looks down the runway that aren't finished that you can tell are-- Yasmine Hamady: Yes. Alycia Pascual-Peña: --done poorly for the spectacle? Yasmine Hamady: 100%. Alycia Pascual-Peña: And she's like, we're losing the quality of art. And also-- Austin Crute: Wow. Alycia Pascual-Peña: --that's what she was saying. She was like, I want Fashion Week to be more accessible and equitable. Equitable. But the issue with the New York Fashion Week, she was saying, I've never been to a fasion show a day in my life, but she was saying a lot of the fashion shows she went to in New York, just the clothes were done poorly. And she's like, this is supposed to be the epitome of art and fashion. And now because you want something kookoo-y and crazy. Is that a word? Yasmine Hamady: You want some, koocoo and crazy no it is. Austin Crute: Yeah kookoo. Kookoo-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Thank you. Yasmine Hamady: Kookoo for Cocoa Puffs. Ko ko ko cocoa puffs. Austin Crute: Right. Exactly. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Exactly. Austin Crute: Kookoo fun. [banter] Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like the quality isn't there? Yasmine Hamady: [indistinct] I'm done with you. Alycia Pascual-Peña: So that that's a convo, you know what I mean? Josie Totah: That makes sense. Austin Crute: Yeah. Yasmine Hamady: So. But all in all, I think it's beautiful. It's great. Who am I to fucking say anything? Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Yasmine Hamady: Just-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Did you love Mugler? I I love Mugler. Yasmine Hamady: So. Mugler, Mugler, Mugler. Austin Crute: Okay [?]. Yasmine Hamady: In this couture show in Paris. Alycia Pascual-Peña: They were my favorite. Yasmine Hamady: I'm so sorry, but I think they took the cake for best show in Paris Fashion Week because they incorporated, first of all, film. Filming the whole thing and also-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: And they still had spectacle. Austin Crute: Wow. Alycia Pascual-Peña: They snatched a bag from Kylie Jenner. Yasmine Hamady: I was. I was going to get there. So you have Miss Ziwe-- Austin Crute: From a wait a minute. Was that JT? Yasmine Hamady: JT. Alycia Pascual-Peña: JT! Yasmine Hamady: Oh from City girls. Alycia Pascual-Peña: From City Girls. Austin Crute: JT that was [?]-- Yasmine Hamady: I want to I want to start off with Ziwe. Ziwe came and this is Ziwe's debut-- Austin Crute: Debut. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah! Yasmine Hamady: --on any runway. And let me say, she can walk better than fucking Kendall can and I say that-- Austin Crute: Okay! Yasmine Hamady: --with my head held high. Austin Crute: [?] Kendall. Yasmine Hamady: So she-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh. Yasmine Hamady: She came in wearing a black lace bra, a corset set with a tiny mini skirt and high sleek-- Josie Totah: To Mugler? Yasmine Hamady: Yep. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Josie Totah: Wow. Yasmine Hamady: High, sleek, snatched scrunched pony. Josie Totah: I feel like Mugler has all the young people. Yasmine Hamady: She then grabbed the mic and there she is, Lisa Rinna, she was saying. Lisa Rinna. Are you ready to own it, baby? Lisa Rinna, front row at Mugler with her sunglasses on after she just exited Real Housewives of Beverly Hills saying, I fucking came to own it, baby. And I just think that is so iconic, so random, so fucking random. Austin Crute: Yes. Alycia Pascual-Peña: She was sitting in that row like [indistinct]-- Yasmine Hamady: But you know who did a Arc-- Arca. Arca was who is a beautiful model. She's a fucking icon, was walking the runway, lace, snatched legs, waist snatched, sunglasses on, and there she goes. And she has her microphone on. And then she takes JT from City Girls bag and they have a little scruffle. And this is all obviously scripted beforehand. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Yasmine Hamady: But they're like, give me the fucking bag. And she just keeps walking-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: And then walks off. Yasmine Hamady: With JT's fucking purse. [banter] Austin Crute: [indistinct] And you knew it was fake because JT would have-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: And then JT was talking about it in some interview, she was like I was a little nervous. I was a little nervous. I was going to go, but it was cute. And-- [laugh] Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. Austin Crute: [?} that guy. Yasmine Hamady: And I just I feel like what I liked about this collection is how Casey Callwader [correction: Cadawallader], I said his name incorrectly paid respect to the House's original vision of Mugler. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Yasmine Hamady: But also pushing the envelope to go forward with incorporating old pieces from Mugler's vintage collections, but also being more present. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Yasmine Hamady: And also having different type of social media, social pop culture references within the show. Um. It was giving sex, it was giving promiscuous, it was giving fetish, it was giving so much-- Josie Totah: It was giving FedEx. Yasmine Hamady: It was giving FedEx and UPS and the U.S. Postal Service. And it was just so beautiful to watch. Josie Totah: I'm obsessed with that. Yasmine Hamady: And it was just all I'm saying is this-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: I loved it. Austin Crute: All I know is this. If y'all ever see me at Fashion Week, which y'all gonna see me at Fashion Week. Yasmine Hamady: Yeah you will. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh [?]. Austin Crute: If y'all ever pull at Kylie's shit. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh. Austin Crute: I'm getting up and I'm I'm going to walk. Josie Totah: What about about Kylie Jenner? Yasmine Hamady: He's gonna be the lion. Josie Totah: I'm so confused. Austin Crute: I'm like, I'm not kidding. I, [banter] Schiaparelli don't ever do that to Austin. Because-- Josie Totah: I'm literally so confused. [ indistinct banter] Yasmine Hamady: So this is a-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Don't ever do that to Austin. Austin Crute: Y'all will be embarrassed. I will embarrass y'all on Fasion Week. Yasmine Hamady: So everyone looked good. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Called it that. Yasmine Hamady: Dior killed it, Chanel killed it. Loewe killed it [laughing] and all of us. All of we're going to end this. I might be five two. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh. Yasmine Hamady: I might be tiny. Austin Crute: Fine too. Five two fine too. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Period. Yasmine Hamady: Fine too. But what I will say is I can walk-- Josie Totah: Fine tune. [laugh] Yasmine Hamady: --that runway better than you can. So-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh. Yasmine Hamady: If you're a casting call agent, cast me to be in your next fucking Paris [indistinct] Week runway. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Are you trying to get cast in that? [?] Josie Totah: Was this entire thing an audition for you? Yasmine Hamady: This was an audition piece. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Okay. Good to know. [music break] Josie Totah: Okay, so I have tea. I'm-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh. Josie Totah: I want to take you guys to court. [chorus of oohs] A few things that have been going on in the news. One thing that I'll touch on just very briefly, we'll have already I think we'll have updates by the time this episode comes out. So get your Google and get your information-- Yasmine Hamady: Get your google. Josie Totah: And look it up because you'll hear the update. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Get your google. [laugh] Josie Totah: Um. The Academy is currently investigating one of the nominations for the best Actress category. [gasp] And although they haven't specified that they are going to be doing that investigation-- Yasmine Hamady: What? Josie Totah: For that specific category, it is assumed that they're talking about best actress because a woman, a white woman who's 41 years old, um was nominated for the role of Leslie in the film, To Leslie, what is it? I don't even know what it is. I haven't heard about it. You haven't heard about it either. You know why? Because it did twenty thousand, $27,000 dollars in the box office. Austin Crute: Ooh [gasp] Josie Totah: Yeah. Which is unheard of. Um. Unheard of as in did very bad. So this is being talked about right now because of the last minute grassroots effort to get this film nominated on behalf for the best actress category of Leslie. People are posting about it left and right. Gwyneth Paltrow's posting about it, uh and Cate Blanchett mentioned it in her Critics uh Choice Award speech when she won for Tar, how everyone should vote for this one girl. Yasmine Hamady: What? Josie Totah: It is like insane. No one knows how-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: That's wild. Josie Totah: --she got nominated and-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh weren't there parties and shit? Josie Totah: There were parties thrown for it. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Crazy. Josie Totah: Also, it is already assumed that they broke two rules, those rules being one lobbying, which as that isn't actually like specifically identified and laid out in the Academy's rulebook what lobbying means. But it is implied that lobbying is, you know, convincing people to vote for someone. And another thing is being exclusionary. Yasmine Hamady: Okay. Yasmine Hamady: Literally, one of the people who were trying to promote um this film and this actress, I genuinely don't even know her name, um but they were posting saying like, forget about Viola, forget about Danielle from Till-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Insane. Josie Totah: --who was incredible and vote for this girl. And to think that that effort literally excluded the possible nomination of Viola Davis-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Which was a snub. Josie Totah: --and Danielle Deadwyler, which is a total snub. And they deserved their places and it was given to a white woman who may have not earned it faithfully and ethically, I think is very interesting. And as we speak-- Yasmine Hamady: Jesus. Josie Totah: They've already met, the Academy on Tuesday and had a discussion and Clayton um forget his last name. But you've met him and you like him. He is works at Variety, he has said that an insider told him that what they'll be discussing on Tuesday is this investigation. So we should have an update on that soon. But it could be rescinded that nomination which would make it-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: That would be wild. Austin Crute: That'd be crazy. Yasmine Hamady: That is the first of its kind. Austin Crute: That's a first. Yasmine Hamady: It's never happened? Josie Totah: Not the first. It's happened only nine times before-- Austin Crute: Nine? Josie Totah: --in the history. [indistinct banter] [laughing] Of the Oscars. [banter] Only nine times before but listen, people are racist. People kill people. Like I imagine what should could have gone down in the past 100 years of the Oscars. Okay. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh yeah no, some bad shit. I also didn't know this up until two years ago. I distinctly remember this conversation I had in Josie's room? We were laying down in your bed and I felt so naive and ignorant because I didn't know that you have to campaign. Obviously, you have to do great work in a movie-- Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. Alycia Pascual-Peña: But I did not know until you l-- see you're confused right now. Austin Crute: Yeah, I'm like what? Alycia Pascual-Peña: Let me explain to you something. I'll do it briefly. But to get nominated. Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. Alycia Pascual-Peña: We don't notice, we Black [?]. Austin Crute: Right [indistinct]. [banter] Alycia Pascual-Peña: We. So, no [indistinct banter] Austin Crute: What's going on [?]? Alycia Pascual-Peña: So let me tell you what they do. What you have to do great work-- Austin Crute: Yeah. Alycia Pascual-Peña: --on a project, obviously. But after that, you got to go to dinners, baby. Yasmine Hamady: Yep. Austin Crute: Oh you gotta do the thing. Alycia Pascual-Peña: You got to go to lunches. There are-- Yasmine Hamady: Private screenings Alycia Pascual-Peña: --parties, there are private screenings. Yasmine Hamady: Private screenings. Josie Totah: People are flown out. Alycia Pascual-Peña: I'm not going to. Yeah. I'm not going to name a show. But there was a show. I've never seen it, so I actually can't speak to it. But literally they were all flown to that country that this project was filmed and paid it for, put up in hotels and stuff. Just so you know. Josie Totah: Thousand dollar a night hotel. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Just to learn about the the the show. And it's like that obviously incentivizes you after you've been catered, given a free trip-- Austin Crute: Right. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like like you have to campaign. Austin Crute: [?] Alycia Pascual-Peña: You feel me? Austin Crute: No I ain't voting for this. Josie Totah: Yeah, a certain extent of that is normal. Alycia Pascual-Peña: It's normal. Josie Totah: And so much of awards is to promote films-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Josie Totah: --nowadays because no one's going to the movie theaters. So-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Absol-- Yeah. Josie Totah: That's why the awards-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. No and-- Josie Totah: --system still exists and the-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: I under-- Josie Totah: --Golden Globes are coming back because they just need another reason to convince people to, like, put their butt in a seat. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. And I understand, like obviously all of us here, we love cinema. So to an extent that makes sense. You promote your film, you market it as artists you have to do that in this industry. But I just I feel so naive. I was an adult when I learned that. I was like, you would-- Yasmine Hamady: They don't want you knowing though. Austin Crute: They don't want you knowing. Alycia Pascual-Peña: No. I was like, you would have to sit down with people and talk about your film or talk about the nuances of of your journey, creating that character and all of those things. So but, you know, unfortunately, people will manipulate that system. Austin Crute: Yeah. Alycia Pascual-Peña: And that's what this investigation is about. And it's really fascinating. I was having conversations about it this weekend because it's like there were private parties and also like huge actresses were like vote for this girl, which is like, this isn't like a politician race. Josie Totah: And by the way. She was good in it. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Josie Totah: She was good in the movie. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Actually-- Yasmine Hamady: What movie is this? Josie Totah: Critics say it's called, To Leslie. They say she was good. Alycia Pascual-Peña: It's probably great. Josie Totah: But was it Oscar worthy? We're not sure. Austin Crute: Yeah. I feel like there are just so many movies and um TV shows, too, honestly. I mean, beyond the Academy that I feel should be getting recognition I mean, I just saw like a Twitter thread that was talking about, like horror movies and how horror movies are like, never-- Yasmine Hamady: Yeah Mia Goth talked about that. Josie Totah: They've been disregarded. Austin Crute: Ever um talked about, is that um-- Yasmine Hamady: Mia Goth. Yes from Pearl. Austin Crute: From Pearl yes. Yasmine Hamady: Yeah yeah yeah and that's-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: [indistinct] [semi speaking or singing] Austin Crute: Yes. Then-- Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. Austin Crute: And I feel like I have I have not watched Pearl yet, but even from the trailer it's giving-- Yasmine Hamady: Her acting. She should have been nominated for best actress. I'm sorry. Austin Crute: Oh, my God. Yasmine Hamady: It was fucking incredible. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Austin Crute: If we're talking about the credit scene. Like, you know, the credit scene is hot right now. Yasmine Hamady: Yes. Austin Crute: People want. People want to see the main character in shambles and they're on the credits. [laugh] And, you know, I feel like that is tough to do. I mean, you got to sit there. They just got to let the camera roll. Okay, picture's up. Let's do it. Go. And then it's like they have to edit the credits in there. Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. Austin Crute: I mean, you can just going to be standing there doing whatever you doing. Okay. You're gonna [?] a smile. Sit there-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: No. She-- Austin Crute: And do that-- Yasmine Hamady: Also I think it's-- Austin Crute: --until they say cut. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Also-- Yasmine Hamady: It's also very brave of to even speak out about it-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Absolutely. Yasmine Hamady: Because I feel like you like she said that in an interview and she's like I probably shouldn't say this because of the politics of it, but I'm going to say it. Austin Crute: Right. Yasmine Hamady: There. This is it's all political. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Yasmine Hamady: The nominations, the voting, everything is-- Austin Crute: Yeah. Yasmine Hamady: --predetermined-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Yasmine Hamady: And I think it's so naive of us to be like-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah, but it's like it's this double edged sword. Right? Yasmine Hamady: Sure. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Because growing up. Award shows like changed my life when I would see a Black actress-- Yasmine Hamady: Of course, yeah. Alycia Pascual-Peña: --or a Latina actress. You guys have personally seen me cry when Ariana DeBose-- Yasmine Hamady: Yes. Alycia Pascual-Peña: --won her award. I cried. I cried this year with Key. I cried this year with Quinta. So to an extent, we have to see ourselves, right? We talk about queer representation, individuals who are neurodivergent, disabilities. When you see people from diverse communities win an award, it means something-- Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. Alycia Pascual-Peña: --and we can't dilute that. But also to an extent, we can't equate the worth of a piece in art by awards. You just can't because-- Austin Crute: Yeah. Alycia Pascual-Peña: --There, you know, it is corrupt, it is biased to an extent. Yasmine Hamady: Just like Step Up. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like-- Yasmine Hamady: That was snubbed, best film ever. Austin Crute: Step, Step Up 2! Alycia Pascual-Peña: That's not where I thought that was going to go but yeah. Yasmine Hamady: Exact-- [loud wordless exclaiming in background] Alycia Pascual-Peña: No but like, but like I'm sitting here and I am obviously everybody's opinions are going to be different. But for me, I dumbfounded that Woman King didn't get more. Dumbfounded. Austin Crute: I'm dumbfounded. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Dumbfounded. Austin Crute: And you know what? Josie Totah: I agree as well. Austin Crute: I have yet to see it. I have yet to see it. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Bitch. What? [laughter] Austin Crute: I do. I know it. Alycia Pascual-Peña: What type of 180 was that? Austin Crute: I know I know it. But-- Yasmine Hamady: Austin! Austin Crute: From what I'm hearing through the streets-- [indistinct banter] Alycia Pascual-Peña: I'm gonna need this to be a cookout conversation. And we are gonna need to watch that. Austin Crute: I know it, I know. [music break] Alycia Pascual-Peña: I am so happy. I am so joyous. I think everybody should be clapping their hands like we are at a kickback with them because Keke Palmer is pregnant. Yasmine Hamady: Yes, she is. [clapping] Yes she is. Austin Crute: Oh! Yasmine Hamady: Yes, she is. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Thank you. Like no. Like-- Austin Crute: The chosen one. The chosen one is in there. Alycia Pascual-Peña: The chosen one. Yasmine Hamady: Yeah yeah. Austin Crute: The chosen one is in there. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Period. Josie Totah: I wish I was that baby. I [?]. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like [?]-- [banter] Yasmine Hamady: That is a nepo baby I will stand behind-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: No. Yasmine Hamady: --till my last breath. Austin Crute: Right. Alycia Pascual-Peña: That is the nepo babies we need. Yasmine Hamady: That is. Exactly. Austin Crute: Yeah. Absolutely. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like there are only a few-- Austin Crute: Rihanna and-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: --that we respect. Austin Crute: --Keke Palmer are going to be mothers in the same like year. Alycia Pascual-Peña: The cot-- the stars have shifted. Josie Totah: That's crazy to think about. Yasmine Hamady: I just got goosebumps. Austin Crute: I know. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Did y'all feel that in the room? Yasmine Hamady: I just got goosebumps. Alycia Pascual-Peña: They're going to have a baby in the same year. Austin Crute: --[?] the same year. [happy cheer] Yasmine Hamady: I wonder what their signs are? Okay. So. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Anyways. I just. Okay, obviously we just celebrate life here, right? We're just happy that she's pregnant. But I don't think people understand like the gravity because like Keke Palmer on a secular, like mainstream level has become like a name. But like, if you are Black in America, she is our girl. Like-- Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. Alycia Pascual-Peña: She is the it girl. Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. Alycia Pascual-Peña: She is Miss Jackson V.P. She is Akeelah and the Bee. Austin Crute: Yes. Akeelah and the bee. Alycia Pascual-Peña: She did. She has been in so much work. She was making her own music. Jump in, like she was-- Austin Crute: Yes. Alycia Pascual-Peña: --a Disney girl. Then she was a Nick girl. How many people can say that? Austin Crute: A Nick girl, exactly. Oooh. Alycia Pascual-Peña: She had a-- Yasmine Hamady: Yeah she did. Alycia Pascual-Peña: People don't know that. She was a Nick girl. She was a Disney girl. Austin Crute: And a Disney girl. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Then she shifted and then she started creating music. Then she does skits. And then also people do not give her her flowers enough. So I want to-- Yasmine Hamady: I agree. Alycia Pascual-Peña: --take this moment to do that. Not only does she have such a beautiful body of work, but personally for me, like growing up as someone who wanted to pursue this and was just, you know, like scared and not knowing what that looks like, especially as a person of color. She, I in my opinion, has been one of the most transparent about her journey. Austin Crute: Absolutely. Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. Alycia Pascual-Peña: I will never forget-- Austin Crute: Absolutely. Alycia Pascual-Peña: When she even up up until recently, people were awful, truly evil to her about the acne that she was facing because she struggles with like her hormones and a lot of um like medical issues that she transparently has talked about. Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. Alycia Pascual-Peña: She has done lives without makeup on, where people said like she looked, I'm not even going to like recount the statements. Um. And she just very openly was like, you guys don't accept or uplift what just people naturally look and are born like. And I'm not-- Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. Alycia Pascual-Peña: --going to be ashamed of that anymore. Yasmine Hamady: No. Alycia Pascual-Peña: And then also, like back in the day, and she's been doing this all as a young woman. I will never forget. It actually changed my life. She did this Wendy Williams interview where she spoke out about a popular R&B artist sexually harassing her. Yasmine Hamady: Yes. Alycia Pascual-Peña: And I just will say, unfortunately, I think certain communities did not receive her well because of it. And they said that she was just trying to get attention. And she's like, no, it's just because I'm a woman and because I'm young and because I'm Black, you guys don't want to believe me. And this is what happened. Like, you know, this happens and it's awful and we need to start speaking out about it. And I think all of these men aren't held accountable because they're names and I'm not going to do that. Yasmine Hamady: Yup. Alycia Pascual-Peña: And even older Black women weren't there supporting her the way she stood. And I will never forget, I watched that interview live with my mom. I was like young in high school, and I was like, Wow. And she's continued to do that. So all of that goes to say, Miss Girl, now being in nope and being on SNL and hosting after her long career-- Austin Crute: Yes. Alycia Pascual-Peña: After transparency. Yasmine Hamady: Yes yep Alycia Pascual-Peña: After all the Black joy. Josie Totah: She has the last laugh. Alycia Pascual-Peña: She has the last laugh. And she just had a beautiful baby shower this last week with her partner. Josie Totah: Were you there? Alycia Pascual-Peña: No. Josie Totah: She has a-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Do you love that I'm talking like I'm there? Josie Totah: --a fine man. Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. Austin Crute: No like yeah. Alycia Pascual-Peña: And also, like-- Austin Crute: I know a fine, you talking about a, that fine man? Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh. [laughing] Austin Crute: That fine man. Josie Totah: Listen. Listen. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Do you think that man is fine? Austin Crute: I think that man is fine. Josie Totah: I think he is too. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Period. Yasmine Hamady: No he is fine. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Period. Austin Crute: And I can't even lie. Alycia Pascual-Peña: And also, you guys know like, I really I try like, I don't really enjoy celebrity culture, but I do love uplifting and empowering people. Like I what I don't? Josie Totah: I'm sorry I'm like addicted. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh. Yasmine Hamady: She's addicted. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Addicted to this lip gloss, um but I just am like I just love this. I feel like we've grown up with her-- Austin Crute: Yeah. Alycia Pascual-Peña: In a really special way. There aren't that many, like Black women that you can say that for. Um. And now she's like-- Austin Crute: And-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: --Happy and pregnant, and I wish her nothing but joy. Austin Crute: No yeah. Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. She fucking deserves this from true Jackson because I'm the real VP-- Austin Crute: Real VP. [Yasmine and Austin singing together] Yes! Yasmine Hamady: Like she and she's always also another snub in Nope. Her performance in that. Alycia Pascual-Peña: I'm surprised Nope didn't-- Yasmine Hamady: Get anything. Austin Crute: Oh! Yasmine Hamady: But she is [clap sound]-- Austin Crute: I'm mad about that. I am. Yasmine Hamady: But also like she's also on Twitter. She's always been vocal about like putting herself in the room because so many casting directors be like open casting call, blah, blah-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: That's how she got on Insecure. She tweeted this. Yasmine Hamady: Yes. Alycia Pascual-Peña: She said, I really want to be on your show. Yasmine Hamady: She literally would be like, I want to bring me in. Let me read for you. Let me talk to you. And they always do. And then that's and also that's how Jordan Peele, she read once for him and he was like, I want you in Nope. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Yasmine Hamady: Right? Isn't that what happened? Josie Totah: He wrote it for her in mind. Yasmine Hamady: Okay then there it is. [banter] Josie Totah: But I love [banter] her as well. Like she's such an icon. She is the epitome of like a star in my eyes. Like she makes me feel like I can make my voice as loud and as big as I want. Yasmine Hamady: Yes. Josie Totah: I feel like if she makes me feel that way, I can only imagine the young girls, especially young Black girls and boys that look up to her and have always just been told to dim their light and to silence their voice so I think she deserves literally everything good to ever happen to her. Yasmine Hamady: Yup. Josie Totah: That is someone I would invest in. Take all my money, get it to her. Yasmine Hamady: I'll put her in my Trust. Josie Totah: I'd invest in her. [indistinct banter] Yasmine Hamady: -- [?] and I won't to take her out. Austin Crute: She's in the trust. Josie Totah: I agree. Like I just think she's so incredible. And-- Austin Crute: Didn't she share SNL with SZA, didn't she? Wasn't that her? Austin Crute: Yeah. Yasmine Hamady: Yes. Austin Crute: Like [indistinct banter] you better get a better snl-- [weird audio cut] Josie Totah: And the pregnancy-- Yasmine Hamady: Announcement. Josie Totah: --announcement. Alycia Pascual-Peña: And she opened it and she said, there's been some rumors and I just want to show y'all like she-- [banter] Austin Crute: You right, I am. [banter] Alycia Pascual-Peña: I am. Like y'all wanna talk shit? Yasmine Hamady: She's so good. Alycia Pascual-Peña: She, I think, is like one of the-- Josie Totah: She said it like a villain, in like a Disney movie. Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. Austin Crute: Right! Alycia Pascual-Peña: That's a-- Yasmine Hamady: That's a villain era that I support. Alycia Pascual-Peña: She's miss I'm sorry to this man. I wouldn't know him. And [?] and then in like-- Austin Crute: Right. Alycia Pascual-Peña: --the post interview, she's like, I do know this man. I'm so sorry. Austin Crute: Oh! Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like she's just naturally so funny. Austin Crute: But she's just [?] she just naturally, she is [?] Alycia Pascual-Peña: A meme maker. Yasmine Hamady: She's always authentically herself. Austin Crute: Yes. Yasmine Hamady: That's the thing you don't see in Hollywood or in life any more. She's always bringing herself to the table wholeheartedly. Austin Crute: Yeah. Yasmine Hamady: And I think that's so admirable. And she's so-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Yasmine Hamady: --beautiful. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Austin Crute: Yeah. Yasmine Hamady: She-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: She now has her own network. Like she-- Austin Crute: KeyTV. Yasmine Hamady: She does? Alycia Pascual-Peña: KeyTV. Yeah, she's a multi-hyphenate. She's like, I haven't been able to be a part of it. Yasmine Hamady: I love her. Alycia Pascual-Peña: I haven't seen a lot of things. I'm just going to do it. And I love my people and I want to like be as different and be authentically me. Like she inspires me in so many ways. Also, can I just say one of my favorite interviews of all time is her doing chicken shop with-- Yasmine Hamady: That is [?]. Alycia Pascual-Peña: And they ask her and she she's sitting like this. And let me reenact it for you guys. Yasmine Hamady: Go on, go on. Go. Alycia Pascual-Peña: She goes. So like, if you could be anything in the world, what would you want to be? She goes [makes chewing sound], You know what, baby? I'd want to be a rock. Josie Totah: She said, I'd be a rock. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Because if I was a rock, I would just be living life. And even if you step on me, I hurt you. That's what I would want to want to be. And then she puts a fry in her mouth. Josie Totah: I love that. Austin Crute: Yes. Josie Totah: I also love that girl. People think she's dating Andrew Garfield. Yasmine Hamady: No they're not. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Wait really? What? Yasmine Hamady: They're not No, it's a fact that-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: No, they just had, like, flirty moment on carpet. Austin Crute: --[?] was a good moment though. Yasmine Hamady: No that was not flirty. She was flirty with him, and he said, No, thank you. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Ah! Yasmine Hamady: That's that's what happened. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Don't do that to miss girl. Austin Crute: I don't know. Yasmine Hamady: I love her. I love her. Alycia Pascual-Peña: What do you think Austin? Austin Crute: I watched it and it was giving very much that he was simping for her a little bit. Yasmine Hamady: I disagree com-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: What? Yasmine Hamady: --pletely. But we can get [?]. But this is also a formal invitation to Keke Palmer if she ever wants to come on this fucking podcast. Alycia Pascual-Peña: We love you. Josie Totah: Austin. Do you have any last minute thoughts that you want to discuss or bring up that have been boiling on your mind? Austin Crute: Um not necessarily really. I just feel like Keke Palmer is amazing and she has also been an inspiration for me as well. Y'all can see this lip gloss-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Right! Austin Crute: That I just put on. [clapping thumping sounds] Um. Anyway, uh I think that Keke Palmer is amazing and literally a inspiration. I hope to one day achieve half-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh. Austin Crute: Of what the icon has achieved. That's all I'm gonna say. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Period. Josie Totah: I love that. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Lovely. Yasmine Hamady: Oh my god. Josie Totah: Well, thank you so much for joining us. Yasmine Hamady: Thank you for coming on our pod! Josie Totah: You have been the most incredible guest host we could ever imagine. Alycia Pascual-Peña: You were phenomenal. Josie Totah: Please come back another time. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Please. Josie Totah: Spend another hour with us. Yasmine Hamady: Please. Come hang, come, cuddle. Come kiss. Austin Crute: Like absolutely. [kissing sounds] Josie Totah: We love you. And maybe we'll have you on and we'll dive deeper into your life story. Because-- Austin Crute: Oooh okay. Josie Totah: It's a story that needs to be told. [music break] Alycia Pascual-Peña: So much is going on in the world, but we personally feel like we've been given a platform and should talk about the things that are important and things that we shouldn't ever shy away from. Um. And one of those things is police brutality and state violence and Black bodies senselessly losing their lives. So we wanted to take a moment um to pay respect, to have a moment of silence. And to think of all of the people that we've lost at the hands of police officers here in this country of America. So we wanted to take a moment of silence for Tyre Nichols, who was brutally murdered um in the streets of Memphis. And we just send prayer, love, and thoughts to his family and all of the people that are dealing with the implications of police brutality. [moment of silence] Austin Crute: I think that what happened was so senseless. And it just goes to show that it's not only white officers-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Which is [?]. Austin Crute: That are doing this. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Austin Crute: Um, I believe that most like basically 95% of the officers involved were arrested. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Were Black. Austin Crute: Um. I am hearing that there was a white officer that was on the scene that did not get arrested. Yasmine Hamady: Hmm. Austin Crute: And all of the other officers that did are Black. Yasmine Hamady: Hmm. Austin Crute: Um. And also. Alycia Pascual-Peña: And they're out, fun fact. Austin Crute: Oh, and they're out. Alycia Pascual-Peña: [?]. Austin Crute: The EMT had a chance to do something um for 23 minutes and did not. Yasmine Hamady: Jeez. Austin Crute: Um. Which I feel is at least for investigative purposes, grounds to arrest. Josie Totah: For negligence. Yasmine Hamady: I agree. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Austin Crute: The EMT. Yasmine Hamady: Yup Josie Totah: I think so too. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Yasmine Hamady: Yup Austin Crute: Um, but I, you know. I. I just pray that it doesn't happen to anybody that I know. Um. But it's a terrible reality that I feel like even if you are a conservative and you're watching this and you're like, Oh, okay, the woke people da da da da da. There is a. We should not, as an American society, be supporting police, as judge, jury, and executioner. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Austin Crute: Like that is the Constitution. Yasmine Hamady: Yup Austin Crute: That is why we are not. We as Americans disalign ourselves with some of the political structures of other countries because we live in a country where that's not supposed to be happening. So let's support the Constitution for what it's supposed to be in that there's due process. And that even if he was guilty, even if he was armed, even if, you know, they're getting [?] shot at by a assailant, there should be every uh recourse to not end a person's life or, you know, attack them without the police's life being actually in danger. So. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Um. Josie Totah: I agree. Alycia Pascual-Peña: I think that we learn a lot of things from this story and we shouldn't be learning them because of someone's death. Yasmine Hamady: Yup. Austin Crute: Mm hmm. Alycia Pascual-Peña: But it's and sure understanding that there is a problem with the infrastructure. Yasmine Hamady: Mm hmm. Alycia Pascual-Peña: In which is police. Austin Crute: Right. Alycia Pascual-Peña: It is cancerous, it is evil um and disenfranchized. And people of color will continue to die unless it is completely uprooted and taken down. And something is created new that is with the foundation of equity and compassion and mental health resources. Um. And I think it's important for us to note that it's not just bad people. It is it's-- Josie Totah: A bad system. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah, it's institutional-- Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. Alycia Pascual-Peña: --racism and systemic oppression. Let's call it what it is. Josie Totah: And it effects everybody. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Josie Totah: White supremacy effects everyone, Black people-- Yasmine Hamady: Yup. Josie Totah: White people. And I feel like there must be so many people who are sick and evil minded white people who are like-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Josie Totah: Well, it was Black officers. So that-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Josie Totah: --that invalidates the point. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Josie Totah: But actually it proves the point even more-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: More. Josie Totah: Because as you said, it's the system that's the problem. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Josie Totah: And it's the dynamic that is embedded in that culture of like the-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Josie Totah: --[?] police officer and that profession-- Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Josie Totah: Is is the problem here. Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. And it's the product in which we believe that policing operates and understanding the history in this of this country. Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. Alycia Pascual-Peña: That it's comes from slave patrol. Yasmine Hamady: Yup. Alycia Pascual-Peña: And it comes from a foundation that already is based on inequity and not valuing people of color. Um. And all of that goes to say. Have the conversations. Yasmine Hamady: Mm hmm. Alycia Pascual-Peña: It's difficult. But have the conversations. Speak out. Protect one another. But specifically Black folk. Yasmine Hamady: Yup. Alycia Pascual-Peña: It's important that we also note to not become desensitized to Black death. And think before you share a video of someone brutally and senselessly being murdered. Um. This isn't normal. You are loved. You are important, and take care of yourselves. Preserve your peace, people. Um. Change will come. Conversations are important, but uh it is also important to give when you can. Um. And we just wanted to uplift the gofundme of the family. The official gofundme for uh Tyre's family is Gofundme.com/F/TyreNichols. And we will also put it in the show notes. So please go to it and share it. [music break] Josie Totah: Dare We Say is a Crooked Media production. Yasmine Hamady: Caroline Reston is our showrunner, producer and Mommy and Ari Schwartz is our producer and show Daddy. Fiona Pestana is our associate producer and Sandy Girard is the Almighty executive producer. Josie Totah: It's hosted and produced by me, Josie Totah. Yasmine Hamady: And me, Yasmine Hamady. Alycia Pascual-Peña: And me, Alycia Pascual-Peña. Our engineer and editor is Jordan Cantor. And Brian Vasquez is our theme music composer. Our video producers are Matt DeGroot, Narineh Melkonian and Delon Villanueva and Mia Kellman. Josie Totah: Lastly, thank you to Jordan Silver, Gabriela Leverette, Jesse McLean, Caroline Heywood, Shaina Hortsmann, Deisi Cruz, Danielle Jensen and Ewa Okulate for marketing the show and making us look so damn good.
