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February 23, 2023
Dare We Say
Bel-Air's Olly Sholotan

In This Episode

NOW, this is a story all about how his life got flipped-turned upside down! Josie, Alycia, and Yasmine sit down with Olly Sholotan (Peacock’s Bel-Air) to discuss their close friendship, their Family Feud feud, and his reimagining of Carlton Banks, and why the movie Inception wrecked him.

Show Notes

Olly Sholotan: Instagram, Tiktok, Twitter
Bel-Air | New Season | Official Trailer | Peacock Original (YouTube)
Bel-Air on Peacock
SAVED BY THE BELL VS BEL AIR CAST! Steve Harvey Asks The Questions But WHO WILL WIN? Family Feud (YouTube)
Spring Sing 2019 – Company: Letter to the Hill (YouTube)




Josie Totah: Hi. If you're wondering why there's a coconut almond chocolate chip macro bar on the table, it's not because we're sponsored by them. 

Yasmine Hamady: No, we're not. 

Josie Totah: But it's because I live off of them. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And she has an addiction. It's all she kinda eats. 

Josie Totah: Um. But we're not going to talk about them anymore because they didn't give us any money. 

Yasmine Hamady: It's that camera. 

Josie Totah: Oh, [laughter] we're not going to talk about this any more because they're not giving us any money. Anyway, um you are in San Francisco, Yasmine. 

Yasmine Hamady: Hi, everyone. I'm Yasmine. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh. 

Josie Totah: And then Alycia--

Yasmine Hamady: And I was in San Francisco. And can I just say-- 

Josie Totah: --was in L.A. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. Alycia was in L.A.. You were in L.A. I was in San Francisco visiting my sister, and I left my antidepressants at home. So I didn't take it last night. 

Josie Totah: Ah shit. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Are you okay? 

Yasmine Hamady: So I feel cuckoo crazy for cocoa butter. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Okay. 

Yasmine Hamady: I kind of just feel like, out of it but I'm still here. Does that make sense? 

Josie Totah: Yeah, like a little bit-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: For sure. 

Josie Totah: --disassociated. Well, you know what, we're here to support you. 

Yasmine Hamady: Thank you. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: I'm gonna go pick some up after this. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh, proud of you. 

Josie Totah: You need an M.D.. I need an M.D. 

Yasmine Hamady: I need a MDMA. 

Josie Totah: My nasal is about to run out of spray. And I need an M.D.. I will have to say how are you, Alycia?

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Good. Um. My eyes swelled up. 

Josie Totah: Oh yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I hung out with some people. 

Josie Totah: I was going to say highs and lows of the weekend. Alycia's eye got really really really [?]-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: --really big. 

Yasmine Hamady: Wait why what happened?

Josie Totah: It actually. It looks really good. You didn't send it to me. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Thank you. 

Josie Totah: They did tell you not to wear makeup for ten days. And yet here you are. 

Yasmine Hamady: And here we are.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: How dare you like expose my urgent care visit. Yeah, they did tell me to not wear make-up.

Yasmine Hamady: I hope your doctor sees this and is like what the fuck.

Josie Totah: It was Carefast. 

Yasmine Hamady: Girl. I love Carefast. 

Josie Totah: Same. I do too. We're only going to talk about things that aren't sponsoring us this morning. [laughter] Also roses and thorns of the weekend. A high rose for me was our Hannah Montana impersonator that attended one of our best friends--

Yasmine Hamady: It was-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: How did I forget?

Josie Totah: Christian's party. 

Yasmine Hamady: --so good. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: A 2000's party. 

Josie Totah: She was wearing a brunette wig. She was uh-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: She was awful. 

Josie Totah: --at the ripe age of 36 years old. [laugh]

Yasmine Hamady: They found her on Craigslist. 

Josie Totah: Yeah. [laugh]

Yasmine Hamady: They did find her on Craigslist. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: She said the C-word. 

Yasmine Hamady: She did say cunt. 

Josie Totah: She said the C-- Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: Are we not allowed to say that? 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: We can say it I just [indistinct] [laughing]

Josie Totah: My thing is like I had to pick up her tip because I wasn't the one paying her, and the tip was $40. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. [?]

Josie Totah: So I'm like, how much was she getting paid? 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Well-- 

Josie Totah: If the tip was $40. 

Yasmine Hamady: $40. We went to a liquor store and Josie was like, I left my card at home and she was like, she doesn't have to say anything, she just gives me those puppy dog eyes, bambi eyes I call her. And I take out the $40 and she's like, you look so [?] I'm going to take a photo of you because she feels bad that I had to take out the 40 bucks. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I forgot we did that. 

Josie Totah: I didn't think you were-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: The bouncy house! 

Josie Totah: --going to be pressed for forty bucks. 

Yasmine Hamady: No, I wasn't. 

Josie Totah: Okay good. 

Yasmine Hamady: I promise you. 

Josie Totah: Sorry. 

Yasmine Hamady: No of course. 

Josie Totah: This is her coming out. 

Yasmine Hamady: This is my-- 

Josie Totah: --financially. 

Yasmine Hamady: --coming out story. 

Josie Totah: Anyway-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: [?] Do you guys need a moment? Guys the bouncy house. That was one of my highs. 

Josie Totah: The bouncy house--

Yasmine Hamady: That--

Josie Totah: --was good. 

Yasmine Hamady: --was so fun. 

Josie Totah: But you know, what's almost as good as a bouncy house? 

Yasmine Hamady: What? 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Is our next guest. 

Josie Totah: I was going to say go macro bars. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: He was one of my--

Josie Totah: But--

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh. [laughter] [banter] 

Josie Totah: Yes. Yes. Tell-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Here-- 

Josie Totah: --tell us, tell us who it is. Tell us! 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Okay. 

Josie Totah: Do tell.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: That was one of my highs of the weekend, too. I got pizza, found this little New York spot here in L.A.-- 

Josie Totah: What's it called? 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: --with our friend, our next guest. 

Josie Totah: Let's just shout out--

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. Let's just give like give everyone some-- 

Josie Totah: What's it called? 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Is this become an ad. It's called Esco's. Is that what it's called?

Olly Sholotan: Um I I honestly, I don't remember what it's called. I just know that it is on La Brea. It has a uh met like a train, a fake subway-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yes! 

Olly Sholotan: --inside of it. And there's a speakeasy in the back. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. It's so cute. 

Olly Sholotan: During the day. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Our next guest. Thank you, by the way, for letting me-- 

Olly Sholotan: Any time. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: --know where that is, because I-- 

Olly Sholotan: Any time. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: --never know where I'm at or what time it is. But our next guest who just spoke, he is an actor. He's ridiculously talented. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yes he is. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: He's a musician. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yup. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: His second season of his show drops this week. 

Yasmine Hamady: Um. 

Olly Sholotan: Well if I--

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Which is-- 

Olly Sholotan: I don't know if we're allowed to break the fourth wall. It drops today. 

Yasmine Hamady: You're about to break the fourth wall. 

Olly Sholotan: Right? 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You are. Please break the fourth wall. [banter]

Olly Sholotan: Well because it drops today-- 

Josie Totah: Yeah go ahead.

Olly Sholotan: Because we're recording this on Tuesday. But this comes out on--

Alycia Pascual-Peña: How dare you? 

Olly Sholotan: --Thursday. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: How dare you? 

Josie Totah: First of all you didn't need to-- 

Olly Sholotan: And so-- 

Josie Totah: --tell them that. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You didn't need to do that.

Olly Sholotan: It's dropping. 

Yasmine Hamady: [laughing] Yes [?].

Josie Totah: You know didn't need to say--

Olly Sholotan: You know what I'm saying like, it's right-- 

Josie Totah: --that. 

Olly Sholotan: Well, that's what I'm saying. 

Josie Totah: We're recording-- 

Olly Sholotan: Can I break the fourth wall? It's dropping--

Alycia Pascual-Peña: When we talk to-- 

Josie Totah: You can. 

Olly Sholotan: --today. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: When we talk to people, we're talking to them in real time. What are you talking about? He's live.

Olly Sholotan: We're talking in real time. So it drops today. It's out right now. [cheers from the hosts] 

Yasmine Hamady: What show is that? 

Olly Sholotan: It's Bel-Air. It's Bel-Air season two. 

Josie Totah: All right. Welcome to the table. This is--

Alycia Pascual-Peña: [laugh] He's our guest for today. 

Josie Totah: Welcome to this-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And this is already unhinged and we haven't started. 

Josie Totah: Hi!

Yasmine Hamady: Welcome to the orange couch. 

Josie Totah: Hi, Olly. How are you? 

Olly Sholotan: I'm fantastic. I'm glad to be here. What's up with y'all? 

Yasmine Hamady: We're so grateful to have you here. 

Josie Totah: We're happy to have you here. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: So, Olly. I've talked to you about this podcast so much. How does it feel to be on it? 

Olly Sholotan: You know. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like before it was a thing. You've heard me talk hours and hours. 

Olly Sholotan: [laugh] Because because I've heard everything from the planning stages, I've heard, oh, we're about to go record our first episode. Um. 

Yasmine Hamady: Aw. 

Olly Sholotan: It's I remember I I picked you up one time right after you'd finished recording an episode. Um. This is one of the most unhinged things I've ever seen in my life. [laughing] [laughter]

Josie Totah: And I'm so happy you're here. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Don't you love that this is what we do? When I say it was, [laughing] I'm going to work Olly. [laughter]

Olly Sholotan: Because what happened was it just started and and I was sitting here trying to catch up. But I'm here now. I'm good. Let's go.

Josie Totah: And now you're here. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Okay, so how do we know each other? 

Josie Totah: So we met Olly on the competition, fame, famously competition, unscripted program [laughter] that is Family Feud. 

Olly Sholotan: Celebrity Family Feud. 

Josie Totah: That is Celebrity Family Feud sorry. 

Olly Sholotan: Celebrity Family Feud--

Josie Totah: Sorry. 

Olly Sholotan: --is very important. 

Josie Totah: He wanted to make it clear. That it was celebrity--

Olly Sholotan: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: He wanted to make it clear that--

Alycia Pascual-Peña: That's because he's just so important-- 

Yasmine Hamady: --everyone here is a-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: He would never be on regular Family Feud. 

Yasmine Hamady: --celebrity. 

Olly Sholotan: Well no, no, no, no, no, no. Let me explain why. Because regular Family Feud, you win money for yourself. Celebrity family feud, you win-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh get over yourself. 

Olly Sholotan: --money for charities. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: [gasp] 

Olly Sholotan: And so-- 

Yasmine Hamady: Ah capitalism doing such-- 

Josie Totah: So true.

Olly Sholotan: You know, I just wanted-- 

Yasmine Hamady: --good work. 

Olly Sholotan: --to express how great-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh, you're such a good person. 

Olly Sholotan: --of a person-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Anyways, anyways. 

Olly Sholotan: --that I am. 

Josie Totah: Yeah you're such a good person.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Josie keep talking.

Josie Totah: So we met on Family Feud. We've already spoken about this with your cast mate, um Coco Jones. Are you familiar? [laughter]

Olly Sholotan: I've I've heard of her. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Have you heard of-- 

Olly Sholotan: We see each other from time to time. 

Josie Totah: We see each other. 

Yasmine Hamady: Oh cool. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Does she acknowledge you?

Josie Totah: So. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Okay. 

Olly Sholotan: Every so often.

Josie Totah: She was on our show, our program-- 

Yasmine Hamady: Before you actually. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: We adore her yeah.

Josie Totah: And we spoke of how we lost to her severely. Uh. First question for you, since that's when we met you and you were you were in pants that were low and there was like a flame on the pants, remember? 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: They went out.

Olly Sholotan: Wow what you really remember--. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah yeah. 

Josie Totah: You were dressed so well. But what was it? What was your special strength? Did you study before or was it-- 

Olly Sholotan: Um. 

Josie Totah: --the outfit that made you so good?

Olly Sholotan: What it is is I'm just really smart. Um really smart. 

Yasmine Hamady: What's your sign Olly?

Olly Sholotan: And just, uh, Aries? I think I'm an Aries.

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. I could tell just by that sentence. Go on. 

Olly Sholotan: Can you? 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Olly Sholotan: Okay, um so the thing is [laughter] yeah, I'm just really, really smart and good at things. So--

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Should I tell them what you told me after you won? 

Olly Sholotan: What did I tell you? 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Do you not remember? So Olly um kept on coming to talk to our group. 

Olly Sholotan: That's no no no that's what it is. So. Okay, okay. Okay. Uh. So Celebrity Family Feud there is just kind of, you know, and especially in COVID, each team is separated by no man's land in the middle. And every so often in between answers and in between questions that we would get correct and you guys would get wrong. Um. 

Yasmine Hamady: That-- 

Olly Sholotan: Commercial break, whatever, I would walk across just to taunt you because it was really fun. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I did not know this man. So my first impression was to not like you because he was bullying me. He was bullying me and he was being mean. 

Olly Sholotan: I'm competitive is what happens. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: No. I didn't know you. I had just met you. And you had the audacity every 5 minutes to come over and say you guys are really doing bad. But--

Olly Sholotan: And yet here we are.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: One of my favorite-- [laughing] 

Yasmine Hamady: And yet here we are, he is a guest. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Now one of my favorite on the planet. But one of my favorite parts of that day is when you guys had won money for the Lupus Foundation. And I said, oh my gosh, you guys have just won money for the Lupus Foundation. 

Olly Sholotan: Please-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I have Lupus. 

Olly Sholotan: Please. Please.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And you said, yay! 

Olly Sholotan: Ugh. [sigh]

Yasmine Hamady: I'm sorry. 

Olly Sholotan: So let me explain.

Yasmine Hamady: Wait wait no no before you say anthing. You said--

Olly Sholotan: No no to [sigh]--

Yasmine Hamady: Alycia said, I have Lupus. And then you reply by saying, yay! 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: If I'm not mistaken, it wasn't just the yay he said, yay that's amazing. So then I was like--

Yasmine Hamady: Do you know what Lupus is? It's an autoimmune disorder, Olly. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: So I was like-- 

Olly Sholotan: Let me explain what had happened. A few things went through my brain at once. A few things. 

Yasmine Hamady: Okay. 

Olly Sholotan: First of all, I'm when I said, yay, that's amazing. I more so meant that's amazing that we won money for this foundation that means a lot to you. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: That's not what you said. 

Yasmine Hamady: [indistinct] got it. Okay.

Olly Sholotan: But then also, second of all, first of all, making it about us. 

Yasmine Hamady: Got it. 

Olly Sholotan: Uh. But also, second of all, I think nothing's worse than when someone tells you not great news and you're like, oh my God. 

Josie Totah: Right. 

Olly Sholotan: Like, are you okay? 

Yasmine Hamady: I hear that. I get that though. I get that.

Olly Sholotan: Like oh my God, no. It's like, you don't want to hear that. 

Josie Totah: Yes. 

Yasmine Hamady: No. 

Olly Sholotan: I'm sure you've gotten this your whole life. It's like that's awesome dope. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: No but--

Olly Sholotan: And-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You see--

Josie Totah: You want to subvert the narrative. 

Olly Sholotan: Exactly. You know what I--

Yasmine Hamady: Gonna flip the switch. 

Olly Sholotan: I am, as they say, a revolutionary. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Okay. 

Olly Sholotan: I am-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Alright. Okay. No, but see, I did tell you that. 

Josie Totah: And I love that. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I said that was one of the best reactions I've ever got um to telling someone I had Lupus. 

Olly Sholotan: Okay. You know, I have a favorite memory of each and every one of you. 

Yasmine Hamady: Um. 

Olly Sholotan: Um. Yeah, I do. And I think that. I think that there are certain. This is such a weird way to explain it, but I think that there are certain moments that sort of feel. You ever have those moments where something's happening and you kind of look to the camera and the invisible camera and you're like, this is-- 

Josie Totah: All the time. 

Olly Sholotan: You know what I mean? 

Josie Totah: All the time. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yes. Yes. Every day.

Olly Sholotan: And and both but everything from this is completely unhinged, but also this almost feels magical. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yes. 

Josie Totah: Yeah. 

Olly Sholotan: Um. I remember one evening, uh Josie, you and Alycia had were at my apartment for-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Is this when we forced ourselves in? 

Olly Sholotan: Maybe but not-- 

Yasmine Hamady: [?] a breaking story.

Josie Totah: Is this when we made a care package for you? 

Olly Sholotan: But not neces-- No, no, no, no. This wasn't that evening. So [gasp from Alcyia] they've been over to my apartment many times. Um.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh, Emmy week? 

Olly Sholotan: I don't know if it was-- 

Josie Totah: That was the Oscars babe. 

Olly Sholotan: Oscars week.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oscars. Sorry. Oh. 

Olly Sholotan: But I don't [pause] either it was I think it was Oscars week. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: It was Oscars week, I know it was Oscars week. 

Olly Sholotan: But anyway, you guys were at my place. And I just remember we had gotten to the top of the stairs. Josie, you were like, I'm tired. I don't want to keep walking. And I remember I put you on my back. 

Josie Totah: Yes. 

Olly Sholotan: And-- 

Josie Totah: Oh that's such a good--

Olly Sholotan: And I ran down the hallway and it's such a tiny moment because in retrospect, I know you hate being touched. You're like no one touch me. 

Josie Totah: I hate it. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

Olly Sholotan: And I didn't know you. I didn't know you nearly well enough to have you-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: No. 

Olly Sholotan: --on my back running down--

Alycia Pascual-Peña: No. 

Olly Sholotan: --the hall. 

Josie Totah: No. 

Olly Sholotan: But there was something about that moment that was, I remember at the time being like, I feel like I'm going to look back at this moment and be and recognize that maybe my life had changed. I don't know why there was something about that. 

Josie Totah: Oh my god. 

Yasmine Hamady: Aw. 

Olly Sholotan: That I just thought was really, really special. Um. 

Josie Totah: Cute. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And I took pictures and I'm laughing in the corner.

Josie Totah: There's videos of it, and it's so funny. I I think that was a special night. I think those first nights of us going over to your apartment, it just was like, evident that, like, you are going to be in our lives for a-- 

Olly Sholotan: Yeah. 

Josie Totah: --really long time.  

Olly Sholotan: I remember--

Josie Totah: And how much-- 

Olly Sholotan: --one one time you. So I, I recently I have been working on this uh this deal. I my first big brand deal was with Lexus. Um. And part of it comes this really, really fantastic car. It's a bright red uh convertible. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Plug it. 

Olly Sholotan: I'm in love with Lola. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Lola. Yeah.

Olly Sholotan: Lola is my favorite thing on the planet. And I remember um one time you had finished filming, you had you had finished uh recording this podcast and I texted you something cryptic like, it is here, I'm on the way. You were like, Olly, what are you talking about? And I remember in the most obnoxious way, I had the top down as you were coming out of work um and you got in and this was I think like I had just gotten this car the day before or whatever. Lexus had just given it to me. And we just drove around L.A. for the afternoon and we went up to Griffith Park. 

Yasmine Hamady: Aw. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Olly Sholotan: Um. And part of that again goes back to the whole thinking of me a year and a half ago, because I remember driving this car and being like, if Olly six months ago, could dream of what Olly now has achieved, he'd be on the floor. For you, I remember this one evening--

Yasmine Hamady: Oh god. 

Olly Sholotan: We were at Alycia's home. I don't. There's so many details about this that I don't remember which worries me, but it was dumb fuck late at night. [laugh] We were at Alycia's home, and I think you were so--

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Were you helping me with car shopping? 

Olly Sholotan: No, it wasn't that. It was like you you really wanted to film a TikTok. 

Yasmine Hamady: Oh, I know-- 

Olly Sholotan: I don't know if you remember-- 

Yasmine Hamady: --what night it is. I know what night it is. 

Olly Sholotan: Okay yes. You really--

Yasmine Hamady: Wasn't there like Hawaiian food there still? 

Olly Sholotan: There was Hawaiian food there. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yes. 

Olly Sholotan: That's what it was. There was Hawaiian food. You really, really wanted to film a TikTok, I think Alycia just wanted to go to bed. And you and I were just like, trying to film this Tik-- I don't even remember the details. 

Yasmine Hamady: We were trying to give Alycia notes on how to make a TikTok because this was--

Olly Sholotan: That's what-- 

Yasmine Hamady: --before her TikTok era. 

Olly Sholotan: --it--. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh my god.

Olly Sholotan: --was. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yes. 

Yasmine Hamady: And she was like, trying to do like these tricky things. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And then-- 

Yasmine Hamady: And we're like, Alycia stop it. 

Olly Sholotan: That's what it was. We're like, Alycia what are you doing? 

Yasmine Hamady: Alycia stop it. This is like [indistinct]. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Stop. 

Olly Sholotan: This is really embarassing. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: That's kind of my brand guys. 

Yasmine Hamady: It was [?] and embarassing.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I don't know how to do this stuff right. 

Olly Sholotan: Yeah, you don't. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: That's mean. I forgot about that night. 

Olly Sholotan: It was a yeah, that's my favorite memory. 

Yasmine Hamady: It was after the--

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You know what? I'm going to post that TikTok that we made. [laugh]

Olly Sholotan: Ugh. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Do you remember what-- 

Olly Sholotan: I don't even remember what it was. It was really lame. [shuffle sound and pause] What? 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: [?] post it.

Yasmine Hamady: Alycia took her hand off the [indistinct talking by Alycia in background] took her face off the mic to say something cryptic to him. 

Olly Sholotan: What? [laughing]. 

Yasmine Hamady: She's whispering in his ear as we talk right now, he's smiling. 

Olly Sholotan: Wait wait. It's the wait it's the what? [laughing and indistinct talking in background]

Yasmine Hamady: She's still trying to say it in his ear. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Stop. 

Yasmine Hamady: Alycia told me to stop. 

Olly Sholotan: Ah. Yes. Um. [laughing]

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You know what, just for that I am posting that. I'm posting that today. 

Olly Sholotan: Uh uh.You know what, I'll leave that up to you. That's between you and God, you do you. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You know what--

Yasmine Hamady: That's between you and God, Alcyia loves to say that shit too. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You it yeah, because it is. I try to encourage people. My favorite. I have so many favorite memories. I think one of my favorite memories is definitely Vegas. 

Olly Sholotan: Vegas was dope.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Vegas or driving to the beach. 

Josie Totah: Wasn't invited. 

Olly Sholotan: So the context behind the Vegas-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: No I'm sorry Josie.

Olly Sholotan: --thing. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You were not invited to Vegas. 

Olly Sholotan: I, you were in Scotland. Um. I was invited to Vegas on just this uh it was just a work trip and it was going to be all weekend. And my manager was like, Olly, respectfully, I just don't want to babysit you in Vegas for an entire weekend. Like, I'll gladly come if you really, really want me to. But, like, don't you have friends? And I was--

Josie Totah: The way my manager is the opposite, my manager's like-- [banter] [laughter] 

Yasmine Hamady: Your manager would be like, Oh, that's great. [banter indistinct]

Josie Totah: Literally none of your friends can come, I'm going and also--

Olly Sholotan: No but literally she was like, Olly I'd rather just make calls for you. I'd rather work. Anyway. And so I was like, you know what? I have at least one friend. And so I was like Alycia, [?] crazy, buddy old pal--

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And I'm like what? 

Olly Sholotan: And we-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: A trip. I'll have to think about it, we had the best time of our lives. 

Olly Sholotan: We had so much fun. Fact--

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Because we acted like old people. 

Olly Sholotan: We well, but yes, but also, I remember uh walking down the strip with a Fat Tuesday in my hand. Um.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You introduced me to that thing. 

Olly Sholotan: It's phenomenal, phenomenal work. I remember seeing Cirque du Soleil and crying because it was so good. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: We saw Cirque du Soleil twice. 

Olly Sholotan: I'm obsessed with Las Vegas. I just am.

Yasmine Hamady: You guys were like 75 fucking years old. 

Olly Sholotan: Yes I am.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: No, it it gets worse. We went we went to shows. We literally would go to bed early because we just wanted to hang out. [laughing]

Olly Sholotan: Yeah, no, I'm I'm an ancient man. What?

Yasmine Hamady: Nothing. 

Josie Totah: Nothing. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Nothing. 

Olly Sholotan: Huh? 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Those are great, thanks for sharing-- 

Olly Sholotan: Huh. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: --those memories. [banter]. 

Yasmine Hamady: Well-- 

Josie Totah: My memory of Olly. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh god. 

Josie Totah: Well, I have one that changed, I can't say on the pod. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh, wait, wait, wait tell me. 

Josie Totah: No, I can't even say to you. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Uh! 

Josie Totah: Um. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Wait. That's so mean. 

Josie Totah: But it-- 

Olly Sholotan: It's between Josie and I. 

Josie Totah: It did change my life. 

Olly Sholotan: You don't, it's between Josie and I it's okay. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: It changed your life and you can't tell me? 

Olly Sholotan: Is it the, the face time call we had that one time? 

Josie Totah: Yeah. [laughing]

Olly Sholotan: Yeah, it is. 

Josie Totah: Because it made my life so much easier. But what I [indistinct]-- [laughing] [laughter]

Alycia Pascual-Peña: What? 

Olly Sholotan: You ever told me that. Wait, you've never told me that. 

Josie Totah: Yeah. It's honestly-- 

Olly Sholotan: I'm so proud of you. 

Josie Totah: It's really uh-- 

Olly Sholotan: Great. 

Josie Totah: Thank you. [banter and yelling]. 

Olly Sholotan: I love to see it.

Yasmine Hamady: We have no idea what the fuck they're talking about. 

Olly Sholotan: I love to see it. 

Josie Totah: Stop. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You did tell me. 

Josie Totah: Stop. Stop.

Olly Sholotan: Stop. I love to see it. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Okay okay okay. 

Josie Totah: But-- 

Yasmine Hamady: Alycia, you're trying to feel included in this?

Josie Totah: But but-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: No. I know what it is now. 

Josie Totah: But. But. But I just loved. I actually loved. Oh my god. I'm emotional. I loved when you would call in the mornings because it was so nice to have someone in the States be up because I felt lonely sometimes. 

Yasmine Hamady: Oh, baby. 

Josie Totah: So it's emotional in that way. But--

Olly Sholotan: I'm glad we got to hang out. 

Josie Totah: And just talking for hours on your couch like I and even on the first night, I think Alycia was so uncomfortable with how much we were talking in depth about life and like yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Olly Sholotan: So I always say that you and I are weirdly similar to the point where it alarms me sometimes. We have the same phone case. 

Josie Totah: It's disgusting.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: No, you guys-- 

Josie Totah: It's disgusting. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I don't know. Olly and I, we make this joke all the time, but it's so true. Like, I really just found another Josie and then attached myself to him because he will say, like, the exact same words that Josie has said to me, will have the exact same reactions to things that Josie has said to me. And. Yeah. [music break]


Josie Totah: Dare we say we should just go back to your little origin story? Because do people know that you are not [whispering] American? 

Olly Sholotan: Well-- 

Josie Totah: And that you--

Yasmine Hamady: That sentence.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Why did you say it like it was a slur? Josie! 

Yasmine Hamady: Being American is a slur.

Josie Totah: Being American is disgusting. Being American is so gross.

Olly Sholotan: I do have I do have crazy news for you. I am. I was born in Atlanta, Georgia. 

Josie Totah: I thought you were-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Wait. 

Olly Sholotan: So, so, so so so so--

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You lived in Nigeria. Born in [?]-- 

Olly Sholotan: I was born in Atlanta.

Yasmine Hamady: I'm dead at that. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Sorry. 

Olly Sholotan: I grew up in Nigeria until I was like ten. 

Josie Totah: Understood. 

Olly Sholotan: And then I moved to Houston.

Josie Totah: See and it was in my head. You were born in Nigeria. You lived there until you were five. Then you moved to Atlanta and then you moved to Houston. 

Yasmine Hamady: I love that you [indistinct]--

Olly Sholotan: So you just made this up entirely. So you just made up an origin.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: No no I I-- [banter] I definitely spread fake news. I definitely spread fake news. That's all on me.

Yasmine Hamady: Alycia, Fox is calling. 

Josie Totah: Yeah. I have to say, I think she told me that. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Please. I probably said that.

Olly Sholotan: Wow, is this OAN?

Josie Totah: Oh, wait so you were born in Hotlanta. So you're an Atlanta born-- 

Olly Sholotan: Yes. 

Josie Totah: --fella. 

Olly Sholotan: Gwinnett County Hospital. Um. I haven't been back since I was six months. 

Yasmine Hamady: Whoa. 

Olly Sholotan: Actually, if I'm correct, I have press--

Alycia Pascual-Peña: --been to Atlanta? 

Olly Sholotan: Yeah, I have press in Atlanta and in a week and I'm really excited to go back. 

Josie Totah: That's amazing. 

Yasmine Hamady: Aw. 

Olly Sholotan: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: Wait. So you moved to Nigeria after, how what was it like living in Nigeria? 

Olly Sholotan: Um, Nigeria was incredible. I mean, all-- 

Josie Totah: Yeah. 

Olly Sholotan: --a lot of my family is still in Nigeria, my immediate family is in Houston, but my grandparents, cousins, etc., they're in Nigeria and it's just a beautiful, beautiful country with a lot of culture, um a lot of love. And I miss it actually. I haven't been back in a while and I'd love to go back soon. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Josie Totah: And then you move to H-Town, which is famously home of Beyonce, Megann Thee Stallion--

Olly Sholotan: Fun fact.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Fun fact? 

Olly Sholotan: Beyonce and I went to the same high school. 

[spoken by Yasmine and Josie] So, you went to the same high school as Beyonce? [laughter]

Olly Sholotan: I went to the same high school as Beyonce, um uh graduated in 2015 and then moved here, went to UCLA, graduated in 2019. And--

Josie Totah: Worked at Equinox. 

Olly Sholotan: Wor-- 

Josie Totah: Don't forget that. 

Olly Sholotan: Worked at Equinox but that's very important. Worked at uh the very famous rich people gym Equinox. Um.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Very important origin story. 

Olly Sholotan: It was honestly it was great like those are some of my formative years.

Yasmine Hamady: I want to actually touch on, this is one of my favorite facts about you, is that-- 

Josie Totah: That he worked at Equinox? 

Yasmine Hamady: No. That you got your that you got your BFA, right? 

Olly Sholotan: B.A., I got a BA--

Yasmine Hamady: You got your BA. 

Olly Sholotan: --in musical theatre.

Yasmine Hamady: I got my BFA. Um--

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Uh! 

Yasmine Hamady: But I--. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: She just wanted to say that. 

Yasmine Hamady: No. No. So you got your--

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You're so annoying. 

Yasmine Hamady: --you went to UCLA for-- 

Josie Totah: Yes. 

Yasmine Hamady: --theater. 

Olly Sholotan: Yes. 

Yasmine Hamady: And that's just, we-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: He's a theater kid. 

Yasmine Hamady: You and I have talked abo-- I know you and I have talked about it before. Um. There's nothing wrong with theater kids. 

Olly Sholotan: Ooh. [banter indistinct]

Yasmine Hamady: [?] a theater kid myself. Like, what was it like primarily being on the stage before you entered the screen for four years? 

Olly Sholotan: I think that I think theater training was so cool because it taught me it taught me sort of the fundamentals of, you know, all the-- 

Yasmine Hamady: 100%. Yeah.

Olly Sholotan: --acting stuff. And it taught me the stamina of of doing a show for, you know, doing a two hour-- 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Olly Sholotan: --musical. Dancing, singing, etc., etc., from, you know, seven to ten. And then you rinse and repeat. And I remember at uh when I was at UCLA, the reason why I started working at Equinox was because they would have shifts as early as 4 a.m. and my class schedule was so ridiculous. So I would go to work at 4 a.m. work until like nine, work out until ten thirty, go to class at eleven. Um have class from like eleven to six. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yup. 

Olly Sholotan: Then I'd have dinner, have rehearsal from seven to eleven and then rinse and repeat. Um. And now being on set just kind of feels easier, you know what I mean? 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: No 100%--

Olly Sholotan: So so now when I have to be up for-- 

Yasmine Hamady: because-- 

Olly Sholotan: --5 a.m. it's like yeah alright whatever. 

Yasmine Hamady: Because being on the stage I feel like also the fundamentals of acting because I actually almost auditioned for UCLA, but I didn't. Um.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh my god. Oh my god.

Yasmine Hamady: But for at UCLA and a lot of these-- 

Olly Sholotan: I like that this episode is just us bragging. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Become yeah--

Olly Sholotan: Just brag. Let's do it.

Yasmine Hamady: No. Listen, you're a fire sign, I'm a fire sign. And so is Josie. Alycia is just that Pisces over there. But-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Struggling. 

Yasmine Hamady: It's about us. But in theater school, you talk about and I've noticed this with you on your show Breath work. Being on your voice the whole time and being present and that's something you don't see a lot on TV. And I can like confidently say, you see that and you see your training.

Olly Sholotan: Yo. Thank you. I appreciate that.

Yasmine Hamady: And it's brilliant to watch. 

Olly Sholotan: Oh, my God. That's. That's the sweetest thing you've ever said to me. I genuinely appreciate that. Thank you.

Yasmine Hamady: No, I mean it, though. Like, you could see, like, the acting fundamentals are just ingrained in you, and it's it's a pleasure to watch you. 

Olly Sholotan: Ah dang, I'm trying to keep it G, but like I'm blushing right now. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Aw. 

Yasmine Hamady: Aw! 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: That is so cute.

Josie Totah: And and at school what shows did you do? Because my sister also famously went to UCLA. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: What is this? 

Josie Totah: And starred in the in the highest uh high premium role that is the ensemble. Uh in the--

Yasmine Hamady: The tree number four in the back. 

Josie Totah: In the show Spring Awakening. And I remember seeing that-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: No way! 

Josie Totah: --when I was like 13 years old. And I was like, why am I allowed to watch this? Because I just watched people have sex on a stage. 

Olly Sholotan: Uh. 

Josie Totah: So do tell. Did you do Spring Awakening? 

Olly Sholotan: I did not do Spring Awakening. I did Pippin. Oh God I did so many shows. 

Yasmine Hamady: You did Pippin? 

Olly Sholotan: I did Pippin. 

Yasmine Hamady: For Christ sake. 

Olly Sholotan: Um I-- 

Josie Totah: It's a great theater. 

Olly Sholotan: What? 

Josie Totah: Great theater you got over there.

Olly Sholotan: Great theater. I did Pippin. I think the biggest thing that I did at UCLA was this show called um Spring Sing. So Spring Sing it's this-- 

Josie Totah: Yes! 

Olly Sholotan: Yes. 

Josie Totah: I loved Spring Sing. 

Olly Sholotan: So Spring Sing it's this huge, huge talent show. Um. And it happens in Pauley Pavilion to an audience of like 20,000 people. And I was part of company and we host it and it was sort of like an SNL type thing. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Olly Sholotan: We do sketches in between, etc., etc. and that was sort of the thing that I was like, yo I feel like I could do this entertainment thing for real for real. Um. And that that was that was an incredible experience. And so if you if you Google Olly Sholotan Spring Sing company, you will see those old sketches from when I was in college.

Yasmine Hamady: So listeners. Everyone Google-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Go to YouTube right now. 

Yasmine Hamady: --Olly Sholotan Spring Sing.

Josie Totah: No. But they were actually really good. Like I remember watching my sister participate and all that and like, it was funny shit. Like, there was, like, music videos and like, parodies. 

Olly Sholotan: Yeah. No, like, honestly, really good. Some of the best work that I've done. I-- [laughing] 

Josie Totah: Yeah. 

Olly Sholotan: Not counting Bel-Air obviously, but some of the best work I've done. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: See, I I don't have a sibling um that went to UCLA, and I didn't go to UCLA. 

Olly Sholotan: Weird. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: So I'm sorry that I'm even on this couch with you guys. 

Olly Sholotan: Did you go to did you not go to the same highschool as Beyonce? 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I'm actually a college dropout so I'm just going to walk out of the room. But moving from theater and all the lovely work you did at UCLA, how has it been transitioning like to on screen? Because I feel like it's been pretty quick. Like you went from school, you had your little cameo that got cut from-- [laughing] 

Olly Sholotan: Would you why would you say that? 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: From All Amer-- from all american. 

Olly Sholotan: So let the record show, I've never told this story publicly before but I'm going to do it now. [banter]

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh have you not. Wait. Wait. 

Yasmine Hamady: Everyone. 

Olly Sholotan: I've never I've never told this story publicly. 

Yasmine Hamady: His publicist sits up. What are you saying?

Olly Sholotan: Um. [laugh] I've never told this story publicly.

Josie Totah: She actually couldn't look more uninterested. [laughter]

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You're not important.

Olly Sholotan: In 20--, so in 2018, I want to say it was 2018. I got my first ever professional role, right? It was my first ever professional role-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Which isn't too long ago, that's a huge deal. I'm very proud of you. 

Olly Sholotan: Thank you. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I didn't mean to just say you got cut from a show. 

Olly Sholotan: No no no it's fine. I tell this story, no no it's so fine. Um. So I was so excited for it, you know, it was All-American. It was a costar role. I say like one word. I say one line. 

Yasmine Hamady: What was the line? 

Olly Sholotan: Uh. I will never forget this line-- 

Yasmine Hamady: Give it to the camera. 

Olly Sholotan: --for as long as I live. It's um. Sorry, sis. I walked to and from school through the park every day. To the cops I'd just be another threat. At least the gangbangers know who I am. 

Josie Totah: Damn. 

Yasmine Hamady: Whoa. 

Olly Sholotan: The context, you know-- 

Josie Totah: Spoken word. That's-- 

Olly Sholotan: No. Like-- 

Yasmine Hamady: That is spoken word. [laughing] 

Olly Sholotan: You know what I'm saying? Like it's-- 

Josie Totah: I loved that. 

Olly Sholotan: --about. It's about police brutality. It's about-- 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Olly Sholotan: You know the-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: There's a lot of depth there. 

Olly Sholotan: The dichotomy of being a Black man in America. And funny enough, our friend uh-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yes Asia. 

Olly Sholotan: --Asia [laugh] was my scene partner who I didn't know her at at this time. And, you know, rolling. The cameras are rolling. 

Josie Totah: Wait, you [?] with Asia? [said laughing]

Olly Sholotan: Yes. [banter]

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yes he was her scene partner!

Josie Totah: When did you guys figure this out? 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: At the seafood boil. 

Olly Sholotan: At your seafood boil years later. Anyway-- 

Yasmine Hamady: You're lying. 

Olly Sholotan: So I'm not lying. And so--

Josie Totah: I'm weak in the knees.

Olly Sholotan: And so, you know, cameras are rolling. I see this huge crane on a camera. It's moving. I notice that everyone on set is looking at me, Asia's standing there with a clipboard, asking me for my signature, and I freeze. [Yasmine gasps] And you want to know what I say? I'm like uh--

Yasmine Hamady: What did you say? 

Olly Sholotan: Sorry, sis. I [stuttering] walked uh through to uh do the school. [laugh]

Josie Totah: Oh no. 

Yasmine Hamady: And that's why they cut it.

Olly Sholotan: And it was pitiful. And obviously the director was-- 

Josie Totah: That's that's kind of a horrifying position to be in as an actor. 

Olly Sholotan: But here's the thing. The director was like, hey, cut. You know, came over and was like, Yo, look, you know, blah blah blah blah. You got it. Just, director was so nice. I I did not deliver. I'm not going to lie to you. I did not--

Josie Totah: You bombed it.

Olly Sholotan: I bombed that performance. 

Yasmine Hamady: So you fucked up your first opportunity. 

Olly Sholotan: Fucked up my first opportunity. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Damn Yas.

Olly Sholotan: Um. 

Josie Totah: But that didn't stop you. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah, because now look at you. 

Olly Sholotan: But that did not stop me. [laughing]

Yasmine Hamady: Cause look at you now, you're on-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: As Carlton, as Bel-Air. 

Yasmine Hamady: [?] fucking hit show. 

Olly Sholotan: So it's it's a little. It's a little it everything did happen really quickly, so-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Olly Sholotan: I did that uh winter of my so sorry 2018. And then I proceed to graduate May of 2019. I shot that in like November 2018, graduated May of 2019. Um. And then I got my first movie later that year. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Run, Hide, Fight. 

Olly Sholotan: Uh Run Hide Fight, which um-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Mm mmm mm mm. Mm mm.

Olly Sholotan: I'm I'm proud of doing that movie. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yes. And you're proud of the amazing people you met. 

Olly Sholotan: Proud of the amazing people I met. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Shout out Catherine.

Olly Sholotan: Um. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And Josephine. 

Olly Sholotan: Yeah. I-- 

Yasmine Hamady: Alycia's like his stage mom right now. [laughter] 

Olly Sholotan: Actually Jo-- 

Yasmine Hamady: Like literally telling you this is what you should say

Olly Sholotan: No no I met Jo, I met Jo on Nate and Gigi.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh, yes, I knew this. Anyway, sorry. 

Olly Sholotan: But but so-- [banter] So, so so I did Run, Hide, Fight. That movie went to the Venice Film Festival. 

Yasmine Hamady: Wow. 

Olly Sholotan: Um. A year after I shot it, I went to the Venice Film Festival. 

Yasmine Hamady: Shut up. 

Olly Sholotan: They played my first EP on the red carpet um and then Bel-Air. So it's been a crazy whirlwind-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Olly Sholotan: If I'm being honest. 

Yasmine Hamady: Wow that is incredible.

Josie Totah: That is crazy. 

Olly Sholotan: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And we're so proud of you. 

Josie Totah: And now you're, so now you got on Bel-Air. 

Olly Sholotan: Yeah. And in fact, wait wait wait one more story. The craziest-- 

Josie Totah: Yeah of course. 

Olly Sholotan: --thing about them playing my my music on the red carpet. I remember my first day of Run, Hide, Fight. Um. It was this scene I'd come in or whatever, and I just remember being so nervous because the last time I was on camera, on a professional sense I-- 

Yasmine Hamady: You fucked it up. And you--

Olly Sholotan: --fucked it up I-- 

Yasmine Hamady: --bombed it perfectly. Yeah.

Olly Sholotan: Yes. [?]. 

Yasmine Hamady: Got it. 

Olly Sholotan: And I have nightmares about it till today. Um. I just remember feeling so nervous and and I did fine. But I went home that night and I wrote a song called Fading, and it was about my feeling of imposter syndrome. And in that song, I have the lyrics. Um. Uh. Something, something, something. Hey, mom, are you proud of me? 

Yasmine Hamady: Oh Olly! 

Olly Sholotan: And then a year later, I'm on the Venice red carpet and I hear those lyrics. Hey, Mom, are you proud of me? And I remember being in the car on the way to the carpet. And my mom, you know, she was still in Houston and she had WhatsApp'd me. She was like, Hey, we're watching the live stream. I'm so proud of you. 

Yasmine Hamady: I'm going to--

Olly Sholotan: Um. 

Yasmine Hamady: Olly. 

Olly Sholotan: Honestly, crazy stuff I'm not going to lie.

Josie Totah: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: That's-- 

Olly Sholotan: Crazy, crazy, stuff. 

Yasmine Hamady: --incredible Olly. 

Josie Totah: And she was is proud of you. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: We love her. 

Olly Sholotan: She is. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: She's the best. Shout out to her.

Josie Totah: [?]. So now you go on Bel-Air and obviously this is a reimagined version of the original and there are much differences between them, then there's similarities. But going on a show that is transforming in that way. How did you guys establish like a collective tone and know that you guys were all on the same page? 

Olly Sholotan: Dang, I mean, I know in my in my audition packet it said, this is not the sitcom. Don't do the sitcom, you know. And so I think that that very much gave me the freedom to just go for it. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Olly Sholotan: And I think that all of us, you know, with the help of our creator, Morgan Cooper, we all just kind of knew that we're doing our own thing and we just leaned on each other and trusted each other and we created something that is, I don't know, feels it feels different enough that it's almost unrecognizable from the original show. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Olly Sholotan: Which is really, really cool. 

Josie Totah: But somehow still resonates with people-- 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah 100%. 

Josie Totah: --who loved the original show. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Olly Sholotan: Yeah. 

Josie Totah: Which I think is the little margin and like intersection between old stuff and reboots and why people don't like them. But you guys hit right in the spot where people do like--

Olly Sholotan: Yeah I-- 

Yasmine Hamady: I, I kind of see it as like, as Fresh Prince was like, that is the root of the tree. And what Bel-Air is, is the tree now. So you guys, so they planted the seed and you guys are just blossoming and growing and-- 

Olly Sholotan: That's beautiful. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah, thank you. 

Olly Sholotan: I like that way of thinking about it. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Olly Sholotan: I do.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You guys have, like, really created a cultural phenomenon. Like, I feel, you know, one of our best friends, Jason and I, we went to the premiere, and I'll never forget watching the first episode and going, whoa, like--

Olly Sholotan: Even-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Before I even knew you guys. What's funny is now thinking you guys were like, all running past our cars. We were like, stuffing our faces with Philly cheesesteaks. [laughter] Um.

Olly Sholotan: That was a crazy premiere. That premiere was absolutely insane.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: It was amazing. But, um, and just going, wow, this is different. And we hadn't even seen the rest of the season, right? To see, like, your beautiful arc, to have, like, these wonderful conversations about substance abuse and mental health and what it is to be like this multidimensional Black man. 

Olly Sholotan: I'm really proud of it. I have to say, I think Carlton Banks is is my proudest accomplishment so far. 

Yasmine Hamady: Aw. 

Olly Sholotan: I'm really, really proud of the work I've done on him. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: It's special and it's resonated with people and like, honestly, just watching the way people react to you. Like when I see you, I feel like I've been watching from afar, like as a fan, like it's just so special what you've created and how has it felt coming out with season one and it becoming this cultural moment, having so many eyes on you. And also if we could get into kind of like the madness that ensued after because you-- 

Yasmine Hamady: Ooo yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: --are obviously a fan favorite, right? 

Olly Sholotan: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: People loved you and they adored you, but they also had a lot to say. 

Olly Sholotan: Um. What she's hinting at is I got death threats. Uh. I got death threats because my version of Carlton is, you know, what happens if we take this kid and and really, really delve into the, you know, the deep, real shit on his his mental health and and how he deals with living in Bel-Air. Um. And and so I so the first thing you asked. First of all, being on a hit TV show is absolutely insane. I [laugh] I will say um--

Yasmine Hamady: I am so proud of you. 

Olly Sholotan: The other day I was at The Grove and our billboards just went up, and the other day I was at the Grove and I was just walking with a friend and then I think I had my head down on my phone and she grabs my arm. I was like, what is going on? And I look up and it's just my face on the escalators. 

Yasmine Hamady: Oh! 

Olly Sholotan: And actually, let me show you this picture. It's insane.

Yasmine Hamady: Yes, show us! 

Olly Sholotan: It's actually a little ridiculous. Um. That was just right there. 

Josie Totah: I love that. 

Olly Sholotan: And it's just like--

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Everywhere. 

Yasmine Hamady: Aw Olly. 

Olly Sholotan: It's crazy. It's absolutely so so that's a little bonkers. I think that even being in public, I'm so conscious of the fact that and like we were just saying, this whole thing happened so quickly um that I'm now just so conscious of the fact I'm no longer anonymous in public, which is just kind of a weird thought. Um.

Yasmine Hamady: But also as an Aries. You're kind of like [makes some unaudible gesture]. 

Olly Sholotan: What's so funny what's funny is I, I think I fake it really well. Right. Like, I think I fake it really, really well. But sometimes-- 

Josie Totah: What do you mean by fake it? 

Olly Sholotan: Um in that. I think I'm I'm really, really good at um playing the game of oh, yeah, like, hey, what's up? Da da da da da great to meet you but like, I love being at home, you know what I mean? I'm such a homebody. 

Yasmine Hamady: Ah you're a homebody. Got you.

Olly Sholotan: I'm such a homebody. I love, my dream day is me sitting at home alone, you know what I mean? With maybe like one or two other people. I love truly I just sit in my studio all day. I just sit in my studio. And I'm working on music all day. That's, you know, kind of, I think, where I thrive the most. Um. And so being in public sometimes and being in crowds, I'm like, uh what's happening? And again, I think I do it because that is the job and it's the it's such an incredible gift, right, to to have your work resonate with so many people. But that has been such a cool and interesting adjustment. Um. To the death threats uh [laughing]-- 

Yasmine Hamady: That that transition. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: To not, no-- 

Yasmine Hamady: That transition. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: It was so smooth. Great job. You should really get into hosting.

Yasmine Hamady: So by the way, when I got um--

Alycia Pascual-Peña: But-- 

Yasmine Hamady: --death threats. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: No, no, no. Because I. I want you to also not just talk about the death threats, but also talk about the nuance of like the colourism and like people also just saying awful things on Twitter. 

Olly Sholotan: It got weird. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Associating you with your character. I think there was like multi-level, like, fucked upness. 

Olly Sholotan: It got weird. It got really weird on on a lot of levels. It was everything from, um, why is this African kid playing this role? 

Yasmine Hamady: Um. 

Olly Sholotan: Um. To which I think is very, I think that's really, really strange. Mostly because uh the police don't really see a distinction between African and uh African-American because-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Olly Sholotan: Everyone's uh Black. Um. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah 

Olly Sholotan: Well, I'm still a--

Alycia Pascual-Peña: We've had this conversation. 

Olly Sholotan: --I'm still a nigga in a Mercedes. You know what I mean?

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah exactly [indistinct mumbling]

Olly Sholotan: Um. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: We had this conversation. The Diaspora wars we need to-- 

Olly Sholotan: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: --have an end to and come together. [?]

Josie Totah: You're also not playing a historically American figure. And even if you were, that's another conversation. 

Olly Sholotan: Also I'm-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: --American. 

Olly Sholotan: I was born in Atlanta. Um. I'm American. 

Josie Totah: And you are American. 

Olly Sholotan: But I, anyway. Uh. 

Josie Totah: Even though Alycia spread lies that you weren't. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I did. [laughter]

Olly Sholotan: Even though Alycia wants to remove my heritage. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh, shut up. 

Josie Totah: Honestly you should be--. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: If anything--

Olly Sholotan: There is a bald eagle on the wall [laughing] over there. 

Josie Totah: You should be grateful she was trying to remove-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña:  It's because I think more highly of you. That I was like he's not American. And you know, that I mean that to my [?]-- 

Olly Sholotan: You're right. No. You're right. [banter]

Josie Totah: I just found that out and [?] how to feel about you now that you are-- 

Yasmine Hamady: Wait okay so--

Josie Totah: --American, but yes. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Continue. 

Josie Totah: Continue talking about-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: People were being like anti African. People were being colorist, people were being awful and violent. 

Josie Totah: Xenophobic and racist.  

Olly Sholotan: Everything everything from that to um I don't know, it just got really, really weird. I would have grown men in my DMs recording voice notes of like hey man. I know what you did to Will. If I see you, I swear to God it's on sight and I was like--

Yasmine Hamady: I know what you did-- 

Olly Sholotan: --it's on sight? 

Yasmine Hamady: --to Will? 

Olly Sholotan: Do you know that that's fake? [laugh] Are you--

Yasmine Hamady: Like do you know. You know what televison is? [banter]

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I'm with [?] like we're friends. 

Olly Sholotan: Yeah. Like, are you aware that that's not a real thing? Um. But again, it's hard for me not to. It's hard for me not to go back to as an artist, there's nothing more special than making people feel that deeply about something. Right. And and I don't know, I think it's it's something that I'm still figuring out how to how to make sense of in my brain. Because at the end of the day, what I think people are dealing with are they feel really, really strong emotions to this face and they don't know how to reconcile the difference between, you know, the face that they're seeing, making them feel these things. And the person who that face actually is, which I don't know, I got to say, that's a compliment. You know what I mean? Like, that's that's hard. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Fo sho.

Yasmine Hamady: No no Olly 100% when someone's taking when they're invested so much into your uh actions as a fictional character that they're going on their Twitter fingers or Instagram DMS to tell you, I want you to die. 

Olly Sholotan: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: Honestly, I'm taking up so much real estate in your fucking mind babes like. 

Olly Sholotan: It's kind of dope. So I don't know. I always say as long as as long as I'm having a good time, I will keep doing this-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Olly Sholotan: And right now I'm having a great time. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Josie Totah: I'm glad. 

Olly Sholotan: You know I hope to do this for the rest of my life. 

Josie Totah: That's still not okay and--

Alycia Pascual-Peña: --not cool. 

Olly Sholotan: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And hopefully for second season people can get it together and understand that you're a lovely person and you're not Carlton. 

Olly Sholotan: The unfortunate thing is, Carlton is a menace this season. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah, I was going to say--

Olly Sholotan: So. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: --can we get into that? 

Olly Sholotan: Best of luck. Sure. Let's do it. [music break]


Alycia Pascual-Peña: What is new about this season? What are you looking forward to? Um. 

Yasmine Hamady: I'm so excited. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: What do you think is going to be like, unexpected for people to see? Like, what can you tell us? Give us some juice. 

Olly Sholotan: First of all, nothing. Because Peacock will uh-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: How dare you. 

Olly Sholotan: Peacock will knock down my door and-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Not even for your favorite people ever. 

Olly Sholotan: Actually, y'all really are some of my favorite people. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: C'mon. 

Olly Sholotan: On the planet. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah so give us a little tea.

Olly Sholotan: I have to say. 

Yasmine Hamady: Just a little.  

Olly Sholotan: Um. What I can say is that um the Carlton that you grew to love and hate in season one is coming back to a ten. I do I will say something that you can expect. So Saweetie's in our first episode. 

Yasmine Hamady: No way! 

Josie Totah: I love that.

Olly Sholotan: Saweetie shows up in our first episode.

Josie Totah: --you can say that?

Olly Sholotan: I can. I can say that because she was in the trailer. Um. [laughing]

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Okay. 

Yasmine Hamady: Okay. Okay slay.

Olly Sholotan: And also let the record show she's the best smelling human being-- 

Josie Totah: Is that your best [?].

Olly Sholotan: On the entire planet. 

Yasmine Hamady: What does she smell like? 

Josie Totah: Icy girl. 

Olly Sholotan: She smells like she smells like-- 

Josie Totah: I love her. 

Olly Sholotan: I don't know-- 

Yasmine Hamady: She smells like the bay and baccarat rouge. 

Olly Sholotan: --beauty reincarnate. 

Josie Totah: I know what she smells like. I was just about to say. [laugh] Don't tell the audience, but I know what she smells like. 

Olly Sholotan: She smells fantastic. Um. Tatyana. Tatyana Ali. 

Josie Totah: You know she's-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Afro-Latina. Sorry. 

Olly Sholotan: She is Afro-Latina. [laughing] 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Sorry sorry. 

Olly Sholotan: Fun fact about Alicia. If someone's Afro-Latina, she will say it. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Olly Sholotan: It doesn't matter--

Josie Totah: Do you know that Saweetie is a rival of yours? 

Olly Sholotan: What do you mean? 

Josie Totah: Given that she had received a degree from-- 

Yasmine Hamady: --UCLA? 

Olly Sholotan: She no-- 

Josie Totah: No USC.

Olly Sholotan: No. USC? 

Josie Totah: Yeah. 

Olly Sholotan: She's from SC? She's a Trojan? [banter indistinct]

Josie Totah: She's a Trojan too. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like a business degree from there yeah-- 

Olly Sholotan: Okay, I'm making a call right now. I'm cutting her from the episode. 

Josie Totah: She was at Long Beach and then she went-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You don't have that power. 

Josie Totah: --to USC. [laughter] I don't know why I know her academic record-- 

Olly Sholotan: I don't. 

Josie Totah: --but I do. 

Olly Sholotan: That's alarming. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: So, Saweetie, so we're going to hate Carlton more, is that?

Olly Sholotan: Uh. I think I think what is great is this season we get to see, we get to see just more shades to Carlton. You know what I mean? I, I in the season, I as as much as Carlton is a menace, there are so many moments of of softness with him. So many moments of joy that I think a lot of people missed out on in season one. Um, and and and I'm really, really excited for fans to see sort of the full scope of what Carlton has to offer. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You obviously like have been on this like beautiful journey of playing Carlton, and I've like seen how much work you put into him. I want to know, is there something new that you found in Carlton season two or is like is what is like a similarity that you think that you have found, like formulating this character and spending so time, so much time with him, like as Olly? Did that make sense?

Olly Sholotan: You know, I think that a similarity with me and Carlton is we both hold ourselves to an impossible standard. 

Yasmine Hamady: Oh, there it is. Yup. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Great answer. Great answer babe.

Yasmine Hamady: Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: 100 points. 

Olly Sholotan: The [laugh] I'd say the difference is I think I deal with it a little better. Just a little better. I don't turn to drugs. Um.

Yasmine Hamady: Or like punch a hole in the wall like every white frat boy? 

Olly Sholotan: Exactly. 

Yasmine Hamady: Cool okay got it. 

Olly Sholotan: Exactly, exactly. I think I've. I've been. I've been to enough therapy that I know how to regulate my emotions a little bit better. 

Yasmine Hamady: Therapy. 

Olly Sholotan: Um therapy is incredible. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Olly Sholotan: 

Josie Totah: They don't sponsor us, don't say that. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yes, they do. 

Olly Sholotan: Uh. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yes they do. 

Olly Sholotan: Yes they do! 

Yasmine Hamady: Yes they do!

Olly Sholotan: Not me listening to this show. Yes, they do. They sponsor the show,

Alycia Pascual-Peña: --[?] listen, I can't believe he does but he does. 

Josie Totah: They do don't they. 

Olly Sholotan: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: They do.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: They do support, say that again. 

Yasmine Hamady: We should probably-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Say it again. Say it again.

Yasmine Hamady: --take that out so they don't--

Alycia Pascual-Peña: --say it again. 

Yasmine Hamady: --leave us.

Olly Sholotan: Therapy. 

Yasmine Hamady: We love [indistnict] [banter] 

Josie Totah: --to have you sponsor us. [laughter]

Olly Sholotan: Um. And yeah, I will say that is a similarity. And and in a way, playing Carlton has taught me so much about self-love and uh and and really, really I don't know how easy it is to, to sort of go off the deep end if you don't allow yourself forgiveness. And it's it's been a really rewarding experience. 

Josie Totah: How do you do that? 

Yasmine Hamady: I was going to say, what does self-love mean to you, like as Olly? 

Olly Sholotan: I mean I will say the place that I hold myself to the highest standard is probably in the studio. Um, and that I think that that's one of those things. It's so easy to go in a cycle of oh I hate this song, this song sucks, I'm terrible at this. But uh and I was I think I was talking to you about this however many weeks ago. Um, of just, I've sort of switched to this way of thinking, there's this interview with Michael Jackson. I promise I'm going to land. There's this interview with Michael Jackson where someone asks him, oh, you know, how is writing a song for you? And he's like, Oo, you know, I get an idea whenever, I almost did a Michael Jackson voice, but I'm not going to-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Did you just pitch up your voice? [laughter] Do you want to be MJ? [laughter] Little Olly's coming out?

Olly Sholotan: A song, you know, songs come to me whenever. Sometimes they come to me at three in the morning and, you know, the interviewer said, what happens if a song comes to you at three in the morning? Michael's like, I get up immediately and I go write it and it's like, why? Why not wait till morning? And he's like, well, Prince might have the same song by then. 

Yasmine Hamady: Oh, I know what, yeah-- 

Olly Sholotan: Right? 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. 

Olly Sholotan: And it's kind of this idea that creative ideas are sort of floating in the ether, right? And, you know, at any moment you just have to I think Phinnaeus, Phinnaeus talks about this, too. At any moment, your job as as a creator, as a creative, whether it's acting, whether it's music, whether it's art, whatever is about, it is about sort of creating an environment where you can be open to receiving that and then you let that creativity flow through you. And there's something about that that makes me realize, hey, this is larger than me. This isn't about me. And I think that makes me a lot kinder to myself. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Olly Sholotan: You know. 

Josie Totah: I love that. 

Olly Sholotan: Yeah. 

Josie Totah: But you're not running out of time. 

Olly Sholotan: You want to know what's so crazy that you say-- 

Josie Totah: Yeah. 

Olly Sholotan: Want to know what's so crazy? I remem--

Yasmine Hamady: Don't make a Hamiton reference right now. [laughter] About wait for it. Wait for it. Running [?]-- 

Olly Sholotan: Why do you burn like you're-- 

[spoken together] --runnning out of time? 

Olly Sholotan: Um. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Speak Olly. 

Olly Sholotan: When I was, like, 14, I remember-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh I know this story.

Olly Sholotan: [laughing] I would I remember running downstairs this one time in tears bro I was crying and my mom's sitting there, and she's like, what is going on? And I'm like, Mom, I just I just saw this movie and it was so good. And and and now I'm sad. And she was like, why? Like, was it a sad movie? I was like, No, I was just so upset that I had nothing to do with this movie. You know what I mean? I was-- 

Yasmine Hamady: Olly. I've had this same rea-- 

Olly Sholotan: It it ruined-- 

Yasmine Hamady: --like when I go to the movie theaters. 

Olly Sholotan: It would ruin my day. 

Yasmine Hamady: Oh, I wouldn't sleep for days.

Olly Sholotan: Ruin my week, if I see a good piece of art that I had nothing to do with. Oh, my God, I'm trash. And I remember I was 13 and I told my mom. It was Inception. She was like, was there a role for you in Inception? No, but that's not the point, Mom. I feel like I'm running out of time. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Olly Sholotan: You know what I mean? I was like, I'm already 13. Like, why am I not? You know what I mean? Which is again, absolutely insane. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: That is a perfect story. 

Yasmine Hamady: No. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: It encapsulates yeah your energy. 

Olly Sholotan: That encapsulates me. 

Yasmine Hamady: 100%. And I also feel like in this industry, there's such a, like, a hard timeline that that not I want to like that this industry puts out for you like-- 

Olly Sholotan: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: --you at least for women as well. Like you have at this rate, you have to win um. You have to be nominated for three Emmys, if not--

Olly Sholotan: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: --three Oscars by here, go to Venice twice. And I'm sure as a man too, and specifically as a Black man, you have [laugh] a timeline already written out for you, when you're-- 

Olly Sholotan: And especially because, you know, as as a child of immigrants, there is that-- 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Olly Sholotan: --idea of-- 

Yasmine Hamady: The extra pressure.

Olly Sholotan: They swam across the ocean and they left everything at home. Like I said, my immediate family is in the United States. My mom and dad, my sister and my brother, they're in the United States. That fact isn't the same for my parents. You know what I mean? Like, for my parents, their mom and dad are in Nigeria. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yup. 

Olly Sholotan: Their sisters and brother, their nieces. They're so much of their family is a 12 to 15 hour flight away. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yup.

Olly Sholotan: And-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: That's a different pressure. 

Olly Sholotan: You know what I mean? And and there's-- 

Yasmine Hamady: Of course. 

Olly Sholotan: There's something that comes with that of like, I have to be greater than great. Like-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Olly Sholotan: Great doesn't begin to describe what I have to be. 

Yasmine Hamady: No. A 100%.

Olly Sholotan: And none of this pressure is coming from my parents, mind you like it's all-- 

Yasmine Hamady: No. 

Olly Sholotan: --me. I don't know why I'm doing this to myself.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: They're lovely and very proud of you. 

Olly Sholotan: They're so wonderful. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: All the time. 

Olly Sholotan: Um. My mom calls me every day and just cries. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: It's so cute. 

[spoken by Josie and Yasmine] Aw. 

Olly Sholotan: It's very sweet. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: She's very peaceful. 

Josie Totah: Better Help. Um. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: What did she say? 

Yasmine Hamady: She [?]--

Josie Totah: Did you ever see that film about the writer of Rent-- 

Olly Sholotan: Yes. 

Josie Totah: --starring Andrew Garfield? 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Phenomenal. 

Olly Sholotan: Yes yes yes. 

Josie Totah: Because he famously was always struggling with feeling like he was running out of time, and that's how he felt writing uh his last musical. And like he was staying up late, like every single night and like, was so scared. Ultimately, he did run out of time before the show was able to premiere on Broadway on the first day. 

Olly Sholotan: Yeah. 

Josie Totah: But. And I think that can light a fire under your ass. But I also am a firm believer in you can't do your best work if you have a limited mentality. 

Yasmine Hamady: 100%. 

Josie Totah: And if you're reaching for something. 

Olly Sholotan: Yeah. 

Josie Totah: Like you need to like you said, you need to receive it. 

Olly Sholotan: Yeah. 

Josie Totah: In it's presence and not like it's something far away. 

Olly Sholotan: And also, I mean, Alycia pointed something out to me recently that I was like, no, I'm not. That I'm very sentimental. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh the most. 

Olly Sholotan: I'm a very, very sentimental person. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: The fact that no one had told you-- 

Olly Sholotan: And-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: --that before is mind blowing. 

Olly Sholotan: Because I'm not sentimental in the way of like I'll hold onto-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: It's not conventional. No.

Olly Sholotan: Yeah, like I'll hold on to knickknacks or whatever or whatever, but-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Because if anything, you're very, like, militaristic about, like material things or whatever-- 

Olly Sholotan: I don't want things. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You're like yeah--

Olly Sholotan: Don't give me things.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: --I'm good. You're like-- 

Josie Totah: I am. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I don't need to be at the function. You don't experience FOMO. We're both like that. 

Olly Sholotan: Not even at all. But what it is, I think that I'm sentimental about is, I suppose, my experiences, right? You know, I think back to whenever I have a crazy day on set and I'm tired. I remember while you you're in Scotland, there'd be a few days where I'd FaceTime you and you're like, Olly, why are you awake? And it's like 4 a.m. and I'm sitting in my trailer, you know, and those days where I'm exhausted beyond words. And I just think back to freshman year at UCLA, I was at in Dykstra Dorm. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh. 

Olly Sholotan: And I remember my [laugh] dorm room. What? 

Josie Totah: Nothing. Sorry. I just. 

Olly Sholotan: No, I know what you're thinking. 

Josie Totah: Interesting title. 

Olly Sholotan: It's a name.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I know what she's thinking. 

Olly Sholotan: It's a name. 

Josie Totah: Did it did it live up to its name? 

Olly Sholotan: Uh. 

Yasmine Hamady: You guys are twelve years old. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Don't. Continue. 

Olly Sholotan: I--[laughter] 

Yasmine Hamady: Jesus fucking Christ.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Continue.

Olly Sholotan: Uh um. I remember standing on the eighth floor um of my dorm building and looking out onto L.A. and just being so, I don't know, scared and confused of just I don't know what's my life going to be like, I have all these huge dreams. I don't know how I'm going to achieve them. And I don't know. That was that was so little time ago, you know what I mean? I think back to even two years ago, Olly two years ago, if you told him everything he would have done by now. Absolutely mental. 

Yasmine Hamady: No, Olly, I feel the same way. I feel like sometimes I'm like, well, I don't have an agent right now. All my friends have agents and they're on huge TV shows. Um. All my friends are being nominated for things. But then you just have to realize, like, why the hell are you comparing yourself to what everyone else's timeline is? A.) B.) Viola Davis didn't win anything or was didn't do anything until she was 40. 

Olly Sholotan: And now she's the Viola Davis. 

Yasmine Hamady: And the Viola Davis. And also like, Yasmine, a year ago, wouldn't even imagine where Yasmine is today. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Olly Sholotan: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: I'm on a podcast with my best friends and I'm having an amazing guest and I'm we're creating something that's bigger than ourselves. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: So I think it's just moments like that. And I'm really proud of you for-- 

Olly Sholotan: Thank you. 

Yasmine Hamady: Acknowledging that about yourself. 

Olly Sholotan: And I think that goes back to the self-love thing too right? 

Yasmine Hamady: 100%. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Olly Sholotan: An act of self-love for myself is looking at how far I've come. I I remember every so often I do this and it's it's a little bit self punishment, too. Every so often I'll listen to the first few songs that I ever made. 

Yasmine Hamady: Which we did. 

Olly Sholotan: And boy, oh boy, oh boy, all of them, none of them are on the internet anymore, mind you. 

Yasmine Hamady: I want you to put it on SoundCloud tonight.

Olly Sholotan: Absolutely not. I--

Alycia Pascual-Peña: He had one that was like experimental and just beats-- 

Olly Sholotan: Oh, my god. They're all so--

Alycia Pascual-Peña: [?] kinda liked it! 

Yasmine Hamady: Yes--

Olly Sholotan: You don't understand but like-- 

Yasmine Hamady: --Tame Impala. Louis the child.

Olly Sholotan: --they're mixed no but not even they're mixed poorly. My writing's super elementary and just kind of garbage. It's lame. It's a little corny, but you know what? 

Yasmine Hamady: What? 

Olly Sholotan: The fact that I can look back at that and have those notes means that I'm so much better now. You know what I mean? 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: Well we'll be the judge. So. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Well I say--

Olly Sholotan: Oooh well you're never hearing it. Never ever.[laughter] 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I say it to you all the time. I think something that I admire about you and obviously, like we've learned this because we've been blessed, like with your friendship, but something I've personally told you is like your ability to look back and be thankful for things is like one of my favorite traits that you have because you very much like live in a spirit of gratitude. Like, you know, I say that your thankfulness and your gratefulness is like your gospel, and it's very special because I feel like it makes you not only like the kind compassionate person that you are, but it makes you such a wonderfully present actor. Like like when people have such an emotional reaction to you, like when they see you in public, like I always I don't know if you can tell but I'm like, hovering at your shoulder and just enjoying the interaction. [laughing] Being like and I'm just like. And like, it can take as long as they would like because people feel such like a visceral, deep connection with you because of how amazing you are on screen. 

Olly Sholotan: Thank you. Thank you. That means a lot.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And all that goes to say, no. And yeah, I mean that. But all that goes to say we're excited to see season two. 

Josie Totah: And we're grateful for having you. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yes. We're so grateful for having you.

Olly Sholotan: Oh my god. Stop. I'm gonna cry.

Josie Totah: In our life and on our pod. And-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I'm honestly surprised you said yes. 

Josie Totah: Because you're a dreamer. 

Olly Sholotan: What? 

Josie Totah: Because you stand on the top of the eighth floor of your building, by the way, Demel the food? Or is it demil? De vil?

Olly Sholotan:  Oh uh uh uh. 

Josie Totah: De vere?

Olly Sholotan: De neve. De neve.

Josie Totah: De neve! 

Olly Sholotan: De Neve. [indistinct banter] 

Josie Totah: Fuck I miss the food. [laughter]. 

Olly Sholotan: It's so good.

Josie Totah: Um. But since you love standing on the top of eighth floors and-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: What? 

Josie Totah: --putting your dreams out into the world. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yes. 

Josie Totah: Do you want to put your dreams out into our world and manifest something with us today? 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yes. 

Josie Totah: What's one thing? One goal that you want for yourself? You want, someone you want to work with, someone you want to put it out. Look right in that camera and tell them right now, [whispering] what you want. 

Olly Sholotan: Dang. That's crazy. There's so many of them. Um. In my lifetime. I would love to work on a song with Max Martin. 

Josie Totah: Hmm. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: That's a good one. 

Olly Sholotan: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: Oooh. 

Olly Sholotan: I think that Max Martin and Oscar Holter, but Max Martin is just one of the best pop producers and writers of our modern era. Fun fact. I've listened to Blinding Lights by the Weeknd, every single day since November 2019. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh my gosh. 

Olly Sholotan: Since November 2019. I've listened to that song at least once, maybe twice, sometimes three times-- 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I was just going to say. Not just once. 

Olly Sholotan: Like, if I'm on a long run, it will come up three times.

Josie Totah: Your Spotify Wrapped is mad at you. 

Olly Sholotan: It's so mad. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: It is. 

Olly Sholotan:  It's like please-- [banter]

Alycia Pascual-Peña: It looks the same. 

Josie Totah: Okay, well-- 

Yasmine Hamady: Your therapist is probably like-- 

Josie Totah: We're going to get those men to you. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You are going to work with them. 

Josie Totah: A sentence I have said many times. [laughter] But we love you. We respect you. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yes. 

Olly Sholotan: I love all three of you so much.

Josie Totah: And we're proud of you. Everybody go on your Peacock account now to watch season two of Bel-Air starring Olly Sholotan. Have a good day. [laughter] We love you. 

Yasmine Hamady: We love you. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: We love you.

Olly Sholotan: Thanks for having me. Have a good one. [laughing]

Yasmine Hamady: Hi there. If you're watching this, that means you love, Dare We Say. Make sure to, like, subscribe and download all of our episodes on Spotify, Apple Music, Sirius XM, YouTube, Instagram, and Only Fans. Not yet. Have a good night. 

Josie Totah: My hearts crushed. [laughter] [music break] Dare We Say, is a Crooked Media production. 

Yasmine Hamady: Caroline Reston is our showrunner, producer and Mommy and Ari Schwartz is our producer and showed daddy. Fiona Pestana is our associate producer and Sandy Girard is the Almighty executive producer. 

Josie Totah: It's hosted and produced by me, Josie Totah. 

Yasmine Hamady: And me, Yasmine Hasmady.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And me, Alycia Pascual-Peña. Our engineer and editor is Jordan Cantor. And Brian Vasquez is our theme music composer. Our video producers are Matt DeGroot, Narineh Melkonian, and Delon Villanueva and Mia Kellman. 

Josie Totah: Lastly, thank you to Jordan Silver, Gabriela Leverette, Jesse McLean, Caroline Heywood, Shaina Hortsmann, Deisi Cruz, Danielle Jensen and Ewa Okulate for marketing the show and making us look so damn good.