Tommy talks with New York Times reporter David Sanger about the new world of cyber warfare. From North Korea’s attack on Sony to the targeting of Iran’s nuclear program and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, cyber attacks are increasingly used first in war even though there are no rules of engagement and little public debate.

Show Notes:

• New York Times: Pentagon Puts Cyberwarriors on the Offensive, Increasing the Risk of Conflict
• New York Times: Why Hackers Aren’t Afraid of Us
• New York Times: The Trump-Kim Summit Was Unprecedented, but the Statement Was Vague
• New York Times: Vague on Details, Trump Is Betting on ‘Special Bond’ With Kim to Deliver Deal
• New York Times: The Nine Steps Required to Really Disarm North Korea
• New York Times: For All His Deals, Trump Has Never Faced an Adversary Like Kim Jong-un
• New York Times: Trump Greets Plans for North Korea-Syria Meeting With Deafening Silence
• New York Times: Trump Veers to a Korea Plan That Echoes Failures of the Past
• New York Times: North Korea Nuclear Disarmament Could Take 15 Years, Expert Warns
• New York Times: U.S. and North Korean Officials Race to Resurrect Trump-Kim Meeting
• New York Times: Trump’s Negotiating Playbook Faced Test in North Korea
• New York Times: Trump’s Letter to Kim Canceling North Korea Summit Meeting, Annotated
• New York Times: Trump Grappling With Risks of Proceeding With North Korea Meeting
• New York Times: U.S. Wants to Restart Nuclear Talks With Iran, but Hasn’t Budged on Demands
• NPR: Fresh Air: Journalist Warns Cyber Attacks Present A ‘Perfect Weapon’ Against Global Order
• CNN Newsroom Transcript – 06/18/2018
• CNN New Day interview – 06/18/2018
• CBS This Morning: David Sanger on North Korea summit, lack of deterrence for cyberattacks – 06/15/2018
• NPR: ‘The Perfect Weapon’ Tells The Story Of Growing Cyber War That The U.S. Is Fighting
• CNN New Day interview – 05/21/2018
• FRONTLINE PBS: The Putin Files: David Sanger interview 10/25/2017