Ira Madison III And we’re back with an all new episode of Keep It. I’m Ira Madison, the third.

 

Louis Virtel I’m Louis Virtel. And I rarely get to say this, and I’m excited to say it, but the girls are fighting. And the girls I’m talking about. I can I can’t believe I’m saying this. Ah, apparently Nicole Kidman and Salma Hayek. What is happening? God.

 

Ira Madison III Okay, so first of all, I just learned this to live minutes before we were recorded.

 

Louis Virtel It’s piping hot. It’s like it’s on the stove. The cattle is screaming.

 

Ira Madison III It’s like network over here. Yeah, But according to a newly surfaced video at the Balenciaga show on September 30th, Nicole Kidman and Salma Hayek were exchanging words while posing for paparazzi photos. In it, Nicole Kidman is seen standing face to face with Salma saying something to her. The Internet believes that she was saying, Don’t touch me.

 

Louis Virtel And they could pass that really thick fog. And I’m Australian accent, which as you know, is impenetrable.

 

Ira Madison III Also, Katy Perry is next to them.

 

Louis Virtel God. So there’s there’s just no there’s no hope for anybody in this situation. Well, of course, I heard about this situation. The first thing I thought was, well, this obviously stems back to the 22 best actress race where they were up against each other and Nicole won for the hours and Salma didn’t for a Frida. But I don’t know what they could be dredging up. They’re both in biopics, both probably equally well received. I assume to call up was just having a tense moment in front of paparazzi. And Salma was like, you know, stand up straight, girl. You’re 11 foot four.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, I mean, they do go back and take photos together. So it’s not like they have permanent beef. And I think that whenever the Internet does lip reading, I’m using quotes for people listening. Whatever the Internet does, lip reading, it’s it’s never real. It’s always giving a wacky scene in a spy movie where someone is doing lip reading. It’s like Melissa McCarthy in spy scene. Okay. It’s not real lip reading. I don’t think that we’re actually witnessing Nicole Kidman shouting, Don’t touch me.

 

Louis Virtel She screams. She’s like, she’s never been in front of paparazzi before. She’s been on my mind, period, because of the movie Baby Girl, which we both have seen in advance. And I have to say, it’s maybe her best movie performance in a few years. I mean, I love Nicole Kidman in this movie, even though I will say ultimately it’s a pretty standard affair movie, wouldn’t you say?

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, I really enjoyed Baby Girl is a Ride. Let’s just say that, right? I was gagging from the jump, the like from the first shot of the movie. Not even the first shot from the opening credits. It starts over black. You know, whatever. A film starts over black and you hear. You hear sounds before the film even starts, you just hear moaning. That’s how the movie starts. I knew we’re in for something.

 

Louis Virtel Right? No. The erotic thriller is back. Yes.

 

Ira Madison III And um yeah, it was a ride from the minute Nicole is strapped in, she is really giving you. I a lot of people have been comparing it to Eyes Wide Shut, I guess because it is sexual in nature. But I don’t know. She feels trapped in in a way that I haven’t seen maybe since birth or Dogville. It’s giving that kind of performance where she feels intensely vulnerable.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah, well it’s also it’s it’s an ad at wit’s end kind of performance like there’s a lot of sexual desperation there. And to feel her I mean vulnerable is one word for it. But just exasperated, you know, is like kind of a mode we rarely see from Nicole Kidman in movies. There’s not much in the way of composure going on here, even though she’s the CEO of a major company. Honestly, the affair that they have and we’re talking about her and Harris Dickinson, he is, of course, bone chillingly hot in this movie. I don’t know if you’ve gathered this from the previews, but their chemistry is the reason to see the movie. Where I’m going to object to the movie is, unfortunately, when it comes to an affair movie, what happens once they get caught or once the comeuppance happens? Something interesting has to occur. And I feel like that’s where the movie doesn’t give you anything. Like she’s married to Antonio Banderas, which, by the way, I did not know until I went and fucking saw the movie. And like screen legend Antonio Banderas is in this once it once he finds out about the affair, I don’t know that it really knows what to do with itself. But if you’re looking for a hot, steamy, you know, again, erotic thriller, something that reminds you of my favorite or erotic thriller damage with Jeremy Irons and Juliette Binoche that, as we know, she hated making, according to our interview with Juliette Binoche on Keep It. See it for that reason. It does. Recall that era of film.

 

Ira Madison III If you get anything from this as well. Harris Dickinson, If this is your first introduction to Han Triangle or Sadness, obviously, but revisit Beach Rats where he is the hottest you’ve ever seen. And Antonio Banderas, this he is maybe the hottest in.

 

Louis Virtel A Law of Desire.

 

Ira Madison III Law of Desire, Tie Me Up, Tie Me Down, like revisit the older Almodovar films where you will see him young being sort of evil, tortured, gay and bisexual man. Those are the movies that you want to see. Antonio Banderas. And he gives a great performance in Baby Girl. But like you said, once it gets there and sort of falls apart, too. To me, it feels similar to her previous film, Bodies, Bodies, Bodies, which also has a great premise, is a fun ride. And then the third act is just vibes to me.

 

Louis Virtel Yes. Yeah, yeah. Well, also, it’s like I feel like movies in this genre have a hard time knowing what to do once you get to that part. Like I was thinking of Unfaithful, which is a great movie with Diane Lane, also from the 2002 Best Actress race. Very strange.

 

Ira Madison III I didn’t know that she was nominated that year against them. I also would have given my girl Diane Lane the Oscar that year, even over. Even though Nicole Kidman is fantastic in the hours, that is an all time film performance.

 

Louis Virtel Excuse me. When Diane Lane is on the subway after the first time she gets that day, the vapors that are coming across this woman are unlike anything you have seen in a film. She’s like winded and also euphoric and sad. And at wit’s end, which is going to be the theme of this episode. And just intriguing, like Diane Lane, who we had never seen her like that before, You know, former child actress, by the way, who’s treated like she’s at the end of her livelihood in this movie, even though I’m sure she is 34 years old or whatever.

 

Ira Madison III The, maybe, best sex scene I’ve ever seen in a film still is a her. And Olivier.

 

Louis Virtel Martinez.

 

Ira Madison III Marinez. In the hallway. Of their apartment building, the hottest scene I have ever seen. And when you talk about an erotic thriller that knows how to. Stick the landing in a third act. When Richard Gere discovers the affair. I’m not going to spoil it in case there are people who have not seen this film and are intrigued by us discussing it and want to go and watch it. But when Richard Gere discovers the affair in the third act, what happens next is that’s how you do an erotic thriller.

 

Louis Virtel I’ll say this, though. I like what happens between him and another character in the movie. The last five minutes or whatever. I mean, it goes into Zany Zone. I mean, it just You’re faithful. Yes. Though I will say something that movie has going for it is that it’s directed by Adrian Line. So it has the feel of a fatal attraction, you know, which is basically an entirely bygone era of movie. So you get this kind of fun throwback quality when you watch it to just have like chic apartment set. Men and women are crazy sex gremlins kind of vibe, you know? So really cherish that.

 

Ira Madison III Where is he, Ben?

 

Louis Virtel Yeah. What are we doing?

 

Ira Madison III I did not watch the Ben Affleck Ana de Armas film Deep Water, but I just know it wasn’t good in my. In my soul.

 

Louis Virtel Well, also, it’s like, because that would be the movie we would race to see. Right. Like, we would know that our synapses would be firing for this if it were great.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, that weird pandemic romance was not. What’s about sending anybody running to the theaters? Okay. No.

 

Louis Virtel I do think in retrospect, we should give her Kennedy Center honors alone for her role in No Time to Die, which was absolutely the only good thing about that movie.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, absolutely. So I’m glad, Lee. I’m glad we had this chance to revisit the 2002.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah. But Julianne Moore and far from having a lot going on that year.

 

Ira Madison III And actually, given what we’re discussing, the rest of this episode, turns out this Oscar category is very integral to this episode.

 

Louis Virtel You mean best actress just in general?

 

Ira Madison III No, but this particular year.

 

Louis Virtel Okay. We’ll get into it. How exciting.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. So what are we doing this episode? We have Lamorne Morris here.

 

Louis Virtel Who you obviously know from New Girl. He won an Emmy for Fargo. He is in the new movie Saturday Night about the origins of Saturday Night Live, which we touched on briefly last week. I did not know he was going to be here this coming week. I praised him knowing not even knowing he was coming here. He also guest hosted Kimmel a few times over the summer, and he was a fabulous host. He really should have a talk show.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. We are also going to use this to discuss the Ariana Grande episode, which aired this past weekend and also talk about some of our favorite Saturday Night Live performers, guest performers, etc.. We love doing this. I feel like we do it every few months.

 

Louis Virtel You you you come to this podcast so that I say the words Cheri Oteri I know there’s no other reason. Okay. Lots of that. Like, maybe we’ll discuss the Oscars when at noon. It’s about Cheri Oteri and the cheerleaders and Collette Reardon and her love of characters. We’ll get into all of them.

 

Ira Madison III Also, there is a chill in the air in New York City. Radiator is on in my apartment. They are no longer serving the peach tea at the cafe across the street from me. Now they are serving pumpkin tea, which means that followers here I. So Lewis and I are going to share some of our favorite fall films for you to, I don’t know, grab a blanket and a loved one to cozy up with and watch this season.

 

Louis Virtel Neither of those for me, Thanks. But I will say, though, obviously horror is not my genre of choice, but I think there’s a mode of fall film viewing that I can really dial into and I will share that.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, we’re going to give you horror. We’re going to give you suspense. We’re going to give you cozy. We’re going to give you autumn. So it will be the keep it Autumn watch list. We will be right back with more keeping. It’s been over a year since the Hollywood writers and actors strikes ended, leaving us with a change industry and somehow even more shows by Ryan Murphy.

 

Louis Virtel This week on Assembly required Stacey Abrams chats with award winning actor, producer and all around legend Bryan Cranston about the state of Hollywood, how it can keep up with our binge watching habits and what’s at stake for the people who make the magic happen.

 

Ira Madison III Listen to this episode now wherever you get your podcasts and on YouTube. New episodes of assembly required drop every Thursday. With Saturday night in theaters and SNL starting its 50th season, we’ve decided to take a look back at the best performers, musical guests and spinoffs to ever come out of prime times. Longest running sketch show. But first. The Ariana Grande episode. Shall we do it?

 

Louis Virtel I they really just leaned into her. They said, Go ahead. Do every impression in your book. Let’s just bowl right around that. And why not? You know what I mean? Because that’s how you get sketches. Like the Greatest Sketch of All Time. Lucy Lawless and Stevie Nicks fajita round up. Speaking of the musical guest from this episode, which had Stevie Nicks doing an interesting and political new song. And then she also did Edge of 17, which was awesome to see.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Let’s just talk about Stevie Nicks.

 

Louis Virtel First choice.

 

Ira Madison III My girl.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah.

 

Ira Madison III I love her.

 

Louis Virtel What’s about to happen?

 

Ira Madison III The lighthouse.

 

Louis Virtel I thought it was okay.

 

Ira Madison III I’m. I’m a stick with the rubber pads and film. All right.

 

Louis Virtel Willem Dafoe with his huge thighs in that movie.

 

Ira Madison III Weirdly enough, I had heard this song before. I was at my friend Brad Place, and he is a big Stevie Nicks fan. Weirdly, he is so not up on pop culture at all. But the things that he does know, he knows. And so he knew that there was a new Stevie Nicks song out before I did. And he was like, You got to listen to the Stevie Nicks song. And he was playing it, and he was like, I don’t know why Stevie Nicks released the song, and I was doing the Google work. And I said, she’s appearing on SNL. And then I looked up the lyrics and I was like, this is about, you know, women’s reproductive rights. And that makes sense because the song is very. Hillary Clinton running for president. Era sounding.

 

Louis Virtel It’s like take your power back is the vibe you have.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, it is very Mark Ruffalo, Olivia Wilde chanting in the streets. You know that kind of song.

 

Louis Virtel I physically cannot handle seeing that video again. So if you can make sure whoever you are on Twitter doesn’t post that so that I see it, I can’t look at it. I read I enjoy them both as actors.

 

Ira Madison III So funny.

 

Louis Virtel So, yeah, yeah.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Other than that, and I believe, like a little technical difficulty. It was. It was fine. I at least you didn’t do a jig through.

 

Louis Virtel I also. I said this also. I mean, like, the woman truly is dressed still as if it is 1977, except it looks more appropriate now, like she just insisted on this one mode of fashion for 40 years, and it still looks great. It’s very. Diane Keaton, so much appreciate it on that front, too.

 

Ira Madison III Honestly, I don’t want to give that man any credit. And by that man, I mean Ryan Murphy. But I will say that a lot of that probably has to do with Cousin.

 

Louis Virtel You think Coven empowered her to stay in this mode of, you know. Helena Bonham Carter, shall we say?

 

Ira Madison III Well, I think not empowered her so much as made it more palatable to mainstream culture. And I also think gave us a resurgence of Stevie Nicks in culture.

 

Louis Virtel That’s probably true. No, I mean, a lot of people, that’s their primary reference for her. Now, if they’re like under the age of 25 and not a friend of mine, that is their primary Stevie Nicks reference.

 

Ira Madison III Which by the way, remember what he used to do that remember when he was good for things like giving us bringing back old divas and giving them second careers?

 

Louis Virtel I need him to get over the Kim Kardashian thing that’s going through his brain right now. I don’t know that that’s that’s given the RFK brain worm. I don’t know what happened there.

 

Ira Madison III But she doesn’t need a second life. She doesn’t need a second career. She doesn’t need to, like, rejuvenate her career. She’s already got hers going on right now. And we don’t need him excavating murders from the 90s. And also, I get that that Cooper boy is very hot. Sure. And he was talking about his dick on Watch what Happens live this week. Good for him. I am tired of seeing that boy everywhere.

 

Louis Virtel Well, it’s just like I said last week, I think that series in general is just not it. It just feels very lurid and ridiculous. But anyway, back to SNL and Ariana Grande Day. I thought she gave a very charming, accomplished performance. Did I think it was hilarious? I would describe it is just short of hilarious but very amusing. I think the best sketch was where she played Celine Dion doing this new kind of promoting the Octagon, promoting UFC. I love the concept in general. That said, her Celine impression a little more Shakira to me than Celine.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. So the way that I consume Saturday Night Live these days, I feel like it’s the way most people consume it. Clips come to me.

 

Louis Virtel Or they don’t when people.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. What people are like, this is funny. Then I end up watching them. Do I sit down and watch Saturday Night Live the night it’s on or even the next morning after it’s aired? I do not.

 

Louis Virtel Every once in a while I do if I’m like extra excited for somebody. But generally speaking, you’re right. It’s like Sunday morning on Twitter and whatever floats my way, you know, aside from whatever Nazi propaganda is on my watch.

 

Ira Madison III I did really enjoy the sketch where she was fighting with Boeing.

 

Louis Virtel Yes, I was, of course, obviously paired them together, but they’re good friends and seem to have good chemistry on screen. What did you think of the scene where they, she and Chloe Fineman were doing dueling Jennifer Coolidge impressions? And then Dana Carvey approached with his own Jennifer Coolidge impression, or did you see it?

 

Ira Madison III I did see it. It is always great to see Dana Carvey.

 

Louis Virtel Well, we’re going to get into him during this conversation because I think at this point, inarguably, he is the greatest SNL cast member of all time.

 

Ira Madison III But I will say that I want a moratorium on Jennifer Coolidge impersonations.

 

Louis Virtel I. Right. She got the two Emmys for that show. We have the three soundbites from the movies we remember of hers. We have now repeated them ad nauseum. And now it feels like she’s a little bit the enemy. And I believe we have done that. Not her. To us as a culture.

 

Ira Madison III Right. Even Angela Murray from this season of Big Brother, she had a Jennifer Coolidge impersonation that she keeps being asked to do. And I needed to stop.

 

Louis Virtel Just in general. Angela should stop. I don’t know if you’re familiar with her as a character. Finally, they wrapped up that season. I’m sorry. What a flop season. I know some people loved it. I had to jump out eventually.

 

Ira Madison III I mean, I loved Chelsea as a winner, though.

 

Louis Virtel I’m glad she won because there’s there’s some level of accomplishment there because it was shaping up that it could have been anybody else in that house who sucked. Anyway, back to SNL.

 

Ira Madison III I will say lastly about this episode, though, I really enjoyed. The family feud sketch.

 

Louis Virtel They called open where instead of a debate, they decided that the candidates would face off in an episode of Family Feud, where it’s Trump and his and Don Junior and Baldwin as JD Vance face off against Kamala Harris, who was played by Maya Rudolph, of course. Jim Gaffigan as Tim Walz and the Dem quotient. Yes. And Joe Biden, of course. Dana Carvey was there, too.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. You know, what do you have in your glove compartment? And then Kamala going into. Well, as you know, I come from a middle class family. That made me laugh. And then the Glock in my glove compartment. And then what? What’s the second answer? Another gun. That was funny to me. Very. So the height of the episode. Unfortunately, it was the cold open.

 

Louis Virtel Yes. And then, of course, you got Dana Carvey doing his Biden impression. I have to say I’m thankful for it because they really picked the exact right person to do this impression. He had he had this loaded anyway when he guest host Jimmy Kimmel last year, he was doing a Biden impression that was all of this. Like he generated all of this himself. But it reminds me of when he used to do his George H.W. Bush impression, which was so funny, even though the source material is so dry and so. Not ripe for characterization that you really need a tactician like him to to bring out anything from him. And I think Joe Biden similar. I mean, like you can play on the fact that he’s old and a little bit dotty, but there’s not really much there elsewhere. You know, he’s somebody who reads the teleprompter. You know what I’m saying? But there’s not much to latch on and latch on to in terms of Second City like comedy. But Dana Carvey is fabulous at that. I have been fascinated recently with the beginning of the 1986 1987 SNL season, which is following this legendary bad season they had where they had lots of odds and ends cast members like that’s when Robert Downey Jr was there. That’s when Anthony Michael Hall was a cast member and it just didn’t work. And the season begins with a whole bunch of new cast members like Dana Carvey, Phil Hartman, Victoria Jackson, etc. and Madonna, who started the previous season as the first host, began this season, telling viewers that the last season was a bad, bad dream, literally being like like on air. She said, we sucked and now we’re coming back and the show is different. And this episode you got Dana Carvey first. The first choice was Sigourney Weaver. You got him giving you Church Lady the chopping broccoli piano segment. Immediately the show was off and running because he was there. And I don’t think anybody has turned a television show around like Dana Carvey.

 

Ira Madison III I think that those people are obviously people that I think are fantastic people Add it to the SNL repertoire. I mean, Phil Hartman, obviously fantastic on SNL, fantastic on The Simpsons.

 

Louis Virtel On Newsradio.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. I mean, Newsradio, one of my favorite television shows ever that I feel like isn’t streaming and I feel like I should because I feel like I need Gen Z to discover Newsradio.

 

Louis Virtel I also well, it’s the one version of Joe Rogan. You can’t just hear any time, any place, which. I guess I should sort of be thankful for it because I do feel we are, shall we say, a bit inundated with him.

 

Ira Madison III Does is is that is that part of his Faustian bargain, by the way, is is is news radio kept off the air so that he could exist in this current form? Because if Newsradio Joe Rogan existed in this universe, I think he’d be a lot more palatable.

 

Louis Virtel I mean. You and I are alone on an island here. Obviously, everybody else finds him palatable to the extreme.

 

Ira Madison III The man was hot. Okay.

 

Louis Virtel He was like the hot one on that show. Yeah.

 

Ira Madison III I would go on that podcast.

 

Louis Virtel I’m sure he’s constantly banging at your door, wanting to get your opinions on whatever but Potomac.

 

Ira Madison III But I really enjoyed Dana Carvey being on this episode of SNL as well as Maya Rudolph, because they are two of my favorite SNL cast members and they are, I believe, the exception to that thing. When people online are always clamoring for someone from the past or a celebrity to come and play a politician on the show. There’s always that fan casting element for just anybody who pops up. It’s sort of this meme ification of politics that annoys me, where you’ll see a random person from a debate or you’ll see J.D. Vance, his wife, and it’s, well, Mindy Kaling should play her mom.

 

Louis Virtel And they just leap to the stunt casting. Yeah.

 

Ira Madison III The link to the stunt casting. But also, why do you immediately leap to we have to amplify this random person and make them part of popular culture? You know, it’s.

 

Louis Virtel Also just so interesting because obviously the urgency to absorb comedy that SNL provides is a little bit hampered by the fact that now once we get the news in life, we also immediately get all the jokes from everybody online like so when people are still like anxious to see like a sketch sendup of the news, it’s always so funny to me because obviously if you’re online anyway and you are if you’re one of these people begging for fan casting, you’ve already heard all the jokes you want to hear, right? Like, why? Why do you think SNL provides some extra balm for this situation? I don’t know.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, and I think it’s maybe why I enjoyed the Family Feud sketch just a bit more, because it was a fun way to do a debate sketch instead of just doing the debate.

 

Louis Virtel It was out of left field. It wasn’t just dutiful. Yes, Right, exactly. It wasn’t the approach that I would have just given you.

 

Ira Madison III And I think that that is sort of what you have to do in this day and age where every joke that you would expect about the debate has already been online.

 

Louis Virtel Precisely. Yeah. Yes, exactly. No kidding. And they’re unavoidable jokes, too. Everybody has seen them.

 

Ira Madison III And we’ve crossed the point now where it’s just maybe you’ve heard them and your parents haven’t heard them. You know, it’s people who are watching SNL, even people who might not be extremely online, have heard some variation of these jokes by the time they are watching SNL. Yes. So certainly you have to give out of left field comedy. And I think that Dana Carvey, Maya Rudolph, those people are the kind of SNL performers who are going to give you that. Will Ferrell, Cheri Oteri, Those are people who are just weird, you know? Right. I appreciate their comedy. Yeah.

 

Louis Virtel You’re right. There’s a legitimate weirdness to Cheri Oteri again, I always describe it as a riskiness to what she does because these are characters, whoever she plays, who look you in the face and their eyelet, their pupils are chattering like something is seriously the matter with that. You don’t want to hold eye contact. I’ve always appreciated the risk factor she brought, and I feel the same way about Molly Shannon. All of her characters were that achingly real. Like they want attention and yet they have no understanding of social graces. And so you’re watching someone sort of flounder and yet also kind of having a weird, strange nerd charisma, too. I really cherish. Also, Molly Shannon, along with Kristen Wiig, two of the best actors to come from SNL. I think, like, I really think they bring a bracing quality to the silver screen. Literally, if both of those people were confined to dramatic roles for the rest of their lives, I think they would still be amazing.

 

Ira Madison III Molly Shannon on the other two was the star of that show for me.

 

Louis Virtel And also she was in the movie other People, which I think nobody has seen now, also by Chris Kelly, who created the other two. That is a pure dramatic performance, a tragic performance, and it could be no. One but her. So I can’t think of an actor in previous generations who just has that immediately palpable. Human, like. Achingly empathetic quality that she has.

 

Ira Madison III You know, it’s so funny. I recently rewatched Never Been Kissed and she’s funny in that movie in a thankless role.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah, she’s in a movie called Year of the Dog where she was fabulous to.

 

Ira Madison III Freaking out Cheri Oteri as well. I was thinking about how. Remember Rachel Dratch was originally supposed to play Jerry in 30 Rock. Can we discuss this before.

 

Louis Virtel You can see the pilot with her in it. Yes.

 

Ira Madison III Yes. And Rachel Dratch seems more like someone who would have been Liz Lemon’s friend in Second City.

 

Louis Virtel Right.

 

Ira Madison III But obviously, Jane Krakowski fits the character of Jenna more for the series. You know who would have been a weird blend of both versions of that character, Cheri?

 

Louis Virtel Yes, because she has the, like, frazzled, recently electrocuted vibe that Jenna has. And yet also feels like a hardened stomp, the board’s improv person.

 

Ira Madison III And it’s kind of gorgeous.

 

Louis Virtel Yes. Right. And I think like one foot seven, like a very short person. I that’s something I appreciate about Andy Cohen. He, like, brings her back to do her version of Barbara Walters every once in a while, which is still funny. And, you know, I’m a Gilda Stan I Stan everything Gilda Radner ever did except for her simply awful films. Gilda Radner. I can’t believe that’s what you gave us. Haunted honeymoon. I’m in pain. My God. Moving on. Sherry Autry’s version of Barbara Walters is such a harder, more interesting take. And then Gilda Radner. And I hope people revisit it. And also, I hope people remember who Barbara Walters was, because I feel like our cultural memory of her is already fading.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. And you cannot bring up the view on SNL without also bringing up I mean, we remember him more for 30 Rock at this point. But Tracy Morgan was obviously one of SNL best cast members and Tracy Morgan as Star Jones on The View.

 

Louis Virtel Another person who has to be explained to people. People do not remember the words Star Jones.

 

Ira Madison III The way that he would say allegedly as Star Jones, because when you explain Star Jones to people, you have to explain the fact that she was a lawyer and whenever she would discuss gossip on the show, she would always bring up the fact that she was a lawyer and she would always throw out the word allegedly so that they wouldn’t get sued.

 

Louis Virtel Right. Yes. Another thing I loved about those old view sketches, they really tapped into Barbara just being completely condescending to whoever the youngest person in the cast was telling Debbie Monopolists to get into her cage. Have, by the way, I was just thinking about Debbie Matte, Annapolis, former View cast member from Season one. And I’ll tell you why. A clip of the Masked Singer came up recently, which I think I believe Paula Cole was on the Masked Singer and she.

 

Ira Madison III I don’t want to wait.

 

Louis Virtel Yes, for our lives to be over. Yes, that Paula Paul.

 

Ira Madison III Okay.

 

Louis Virtel Great singer sounded great. But the panel on the Masked Singer is still the same from, like season one. Like, it’s still Robin Thicke. It’s still Jenny McCarthy. And my question is. Who the fuck knows what Jenny McCarthy is from anymore? I mean, like, do people remember one single out to, like, her Playboy days? Do people remember, like, her sitcom? It’s very shocking to me. To me, it’s like if Debbie Matenopoulos stumbled into getting $8 million a year on primetime.

 

Ira Madison III I don’t even think people remember Jenny McCarthy from Scream three. No.

 

Louis Virtel Right. By the way, great scene. Maybe one of the best scenes in Scream three. Yes.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Umm I mean, why also, why would you give up that gig?

 

Louis Virtel Absolutely. Hold on with both hands. Excuse me.

 

Ira Madison III You will pry that from Robin Thicke’s dead head, right? I mean, the way his career went, he’s glad to have the masked singer.

 

Louis Virtel No. I mean, it’s shocking that he has this golden parachute. I mean, I guess. I don’t know. Really know what they’re being. And, of course, Nicole Scherzinger is still a part of it, too. I’ll be singing Sunset Boulevard in two weeks, by the way. Get ready for that reveal.

 

Ira Madison III I can’t fucking wait.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah. So psyched. Okay. Anyway, back to SNL. Phil Hartman is always brought up as one of the great SNL cast members of all time. First of all, he was there for a long time. But two, he was the rare person who one was hot. Let’s just start there. Like a good look. But he had both. He could both play Frank Sinatra and then also have the real life kind of gravitas of a crooner, too. He was a versatile character actor who, like, was not a scene stealer a lot of the time. He was like a glue guy on SNL, but then could play a broad character. And then also there was just a general warmth to him that puts him in line with someone like Gilda Radner. There’s not too many cast members like that where there’s an actual kind of coziness to them. And I feel like that’s, I think, a part of why people value him a lot.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. I don’t think we’ve really had another. Phil Hartman.

 

Louis Virtel No. The dependability, like the dad of the show, kind of.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. I mean, maybe in a way Kenan sort of fit that role, but I feel like Kenan fit that role in. Roles that he played outside of SNL.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah. Though, of course, like no disrespect to Kenan, who is like the hardest working man in SNL history. I mean, he’s been there like 175 years at this point.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Anyway, SNL.

 

Louis Virtel But I think we covered most of it. Yeah. If you have favorite cast numbers and also favorite performances by cast members in movies, bring them. I will tout Kristin Wigs mid 20 tens performance. Not just Bridesmaids, which is 2011, but welcome to me. I loved her and I loved her in Skeleton Twins Diary of a Teenage Girl. So her performances are some of my favorite of any SNL alarm crime.

 

Ira Madison III And Phil Hartman didn’t have that many performances in the films.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah, Jingle All the Way Comes to mind.

 

Ira Madison III I mean, that film is a classic.

 

Louis Virtel To whom? You? Yeah.

 

Ira Madison III To me.

 

Louis Virtel Okay, Go ahead and own that.

 

Ira Madison III Come on. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

 

Ira Madison III Sinbad.

 

Louis Virtel Sinbad.

 

Ira Madison III Three titans.

 

Louis Virtel Names.

 

Ira Madison III Three time.

 

Louis Virtel A name I want to hear three times as often. Sinbad.

 

Ira Madison III That is what we had. Movie stars. Okay.

 

Louis Virtel By the way, when you watch Sinbad’s old standup specials, like the one where he’s wearing like, a puffy orange suit and a blue vest. Okay, now you can dress like that again. It’s like time to dress like Sinbad again anyway.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, I mean, that’s what Spike Lee wears to next games.

 

Louis Virtel That’s. I really should take more cues from him.

 

Ira Madison III All right, we’re we’re back. We are joined by one of the stars of Saturday Night Live, Moore and Morris. Today’s guest just won his first Emmy for his stellar work on Fargo. But anyone who’s paid attention since his beloved run on New Girl knows that his critical success was just a matter of time. From Woke to Game Night to the SNL inspired comedy Saturday Night, which is in theaters now. This guest is always showing us a different side of his talent, and we can’t wait to see more. Please welcome to Keep it Lamorne Morris.

 

Lamorne Morris Hey. Hey. How ya’ll doing?

 

Ira Madison III Great.

 

Louis Virtel And I just want to be clear that he just wheeled his Emmy in our face, which has not done since Tim Gunn was on this show. So you are in good company? Yeah.

 

Lamorne Morris It’s sitting right here next to me. It’s everywhere I go. So you mentioned it, and I figure, you know, I cannot address my girlfriend in the room, you know?

 

Louis Virtel No. I have to say, like, people pretend like awards are, you know, secondary to the whole for a thrill. And being in the profession of acting, having an Emmy. How endorphin boosting is it for you just on a daily basis? Do you love having it?

 

Lamorne Morris My God, I do. I love it. I mean, you know, it’s just like it’s one of those things where it’s it’s a reminder that you worked your ass off and somebody thought the thing that you did was good. So just continue down that path and you’ll hopefully get a chance to continue to do dope shit. So, you know, I just every once in a while, I’ll walk past the office, I’ll see it, and I’ll just go, Yeah, I’m better than you, Jake Johnson.

 

Ira Madison III There has to be a sort of, I don’t know. So a fun pleasure or, I don’t know, even sort of maybe a weirdness of getting it for Fargo, a sort of project that you done years after being on New Girl for so long, something that you would have expected. I’d get one for this.

 

Lamorne Morris Yeah. You know, I made a joke, you know, once that once the nomination came out, I made a joke that, you know, I said thank you to the Academy for recognizing all of my hard work on your show. You know, it’s you know, we we worked really hard on that show and we didn’t get we didn’t get a lot of Emmy love at all. You know, I don’t think our show was ever nominated. But, you know, the cool thing is that the fans, you know, they stick with you. And a lot of those fans are Emmy voters. And and they they they remember those moments. So, you know, looking at my character in Fargo to complete departure from anything folks who know me had ever seen me do. So I guess, you know, in a way it was just jarring for people to see that character, you know, which helped with the voting, I’m assuming.

 

Louis Virtel Now, obviously, you’re in the new movie Saturday Night about the first episode of Saturday Night Live where you play Garrett Morris, one of the original seven cast members, probably best known for playing Chico Escola, but he has a number of very famous. He was also on Two Broke Girls years and years later. But I was blown away to realize you auditioned for SNL and did not get it, did.

 

Lamorne Morris Not get it. I sent in, and probably rightfully so. That was, you know, had I, I think had I had an in-person audition, I probably would have. You know, I came up doing sketch comedy and improv. But, you know, I was asked to submit a tape of characters, and that was the first time I’d ever been asked to do something like that. So I just kind of messed around with characters at home and sent it in. They liked it and said, Hey, can you send in some political characters as well? And like I said earlier, I’m not the most political individual, so I didn’t have the best Barack Obama and president. And long story short, I did not get the job. However, I did book New Girl soon after, so it kind of worked out.

 

Louis Virtel They were like, Could you just go ahead and be Barack Obama? We need one of those.

 

Lamorne Morris So, yeah, yeah. Yes. Like goddammit Jay Pharoah, which is what they did.

 

Ira Madison III Playing Garrett Morris in Saturday night must have been so fantastic, obviously. You said that he was, you know, one of your biggest inspirations, you know, just going into comedy. How did you, I guess, prepare to play someone who you loved so much?

 

Lamorne Morris There was a lot of fear going into it. Fear that that I’d disappoint or I guess let down let Garrett down. You know, his family that that, you know, that spends time with him and they they’ve known him forever and fans that know his early work that no one from SNL that known from Martin Jamie Foxx show two broke girls all these things all his movies the fear was, man, people know this guy. People know this iconic figure. I don’t want to fuck it up. And so the fear all went away. When I got a chance to speak to Garrett and, you know, he just said, I’m not worried. He’s like, I know you’re a good performer. He’s like, I’ve seen your work, man. I’m a fan. All you all I care about is that you let the fans know that I never gave up. And when I spoke to Jason Reitman, our director, his note was before we started filming was Don’t worry so much about a direct impersonation of this person. We’re not doing a caricature of this person. We are. We are trying to capture the moment, the moment of 90 minutes before showtime. What is everyone going through? What’s going on in their minds, in their hearts? There’s this fear that these these actors have. They’re about to go and showcase something that folks have never seen before on primetime television. Let’s let’s see how intense that is. It’s particular to your character’s journey, and let’s not worry about all the impressions. So once I combine that with what Garrett told me, the fear went away. And then I just I just kind of use my own actor’s instincts and played the beats and, you know, gave a little extra and added some saucier, some flair there. And, and people seem to people seem to like it. Garrett liked it so I so you know that that made me happy.

 

Louis Virtel He has an intriguing arc in this movie where I didn’t realize he felt basically kind of alienated on the set of this show. And and he’s basically asking other people why he is there. Like, he doesn’t he doesn’t relate to the Chevy Chase says or Dan Aykroyd or Gilda Radner or whoever else is around. And I assume that is true to life because he had this very interesting background and he was like an opera singer, etc.. So what I assume that’s true to this man, too. Did you talk about, like the alienation he felt prior to being on the show?

 

Lamorne Morris Yeah, absolutely. You know, that was one of my that was part of the connective tissue between Garrett and I, more than just our last names being the same. But he he was going through a bit of imposter syndrome. You know the situation. You know what What’s a man who wants Juilliard, who is a published playwright, who helped desegregate the unions, who was a civil rights activist who performs La Traviata in Italian? You know, what’s this man doing with all these young white 20 year olds telling Dick and fart jokes? You know, what is he doing here? And he just thought, I’m a total fish out of water. This isn’t my thing. You know, I’m not like a 32nd joke writer. And and he struggled a little bit. I had a very similar. A similar feeling when I got on when I first started in this business with New Girl. The character wasn’t necessarily being written for, but it wasn’t. It wasn’t malicious. It was just timing of when the show got greenlit and when my character came out came on board. So I felt this I felt at a place on a lot of episodes where I’m looking at my costars, getting, you know, a storylines and funny jokes and all these things, and me, it’s kind of left up to me figure it out. And so I spoke to Garrett about that and he he totally understood. So, you know, I just went into it connecting the dots from my personal lives and use my own struggles, even though there were nowhere near as the stakes were not were nowhere near as high as they were for Garrett, there were still high stakes for me. So I just use that in in, in in this movie.

 

Ira Madison III When would you say that’s so interesting to hear? When would you say that you felt? The most comfortable then or at ease with your role on New Girl that you felt that you were being heard and that your character was sort of being written to you?

 

Lamorne Morris I’d probably say season three. Season three is when the writers really got a chance to. They knew me for two seasons now. They knew all the little bits that I would just have the courage to throw in there, here and there, whether they made the cut or not. Then they started writing directly towards the weird, which is how I like to perform. You know what I mean? Very left of center at times. And they realize that and they, you know, it was it was unlike a lot of, you know, the stereotypical black characters that we will see sometimes. You know, I’m not saying they were trying to write towards stereotypical black, but because they weren’t, it was just that a lot of times a lot of times the energy felt like, maybe I should perform it like what they’re used to seeing. Maybe then I’ll blend in and get more written for me. But then but then I just kind of I just kind of said, you know what? These are three We all came together as a cast. And so doing more bits, we started becoming more playful. You know, I want to say that’s around the same time. Damon. Damon Wayans Jr came back. He might have come back in around season three, and he is such a unfiltered, dynamic performer that I just looking at him, I’m looking at, you know, what my other cast mates are doing and I’m going, Man, you know, they’re not going to fire me. But let me just perform. Just do what it is that I want to do and see how they respond. And they responded beautifully. Like I you know, this goes back to writers. You know what I mean? The writers on this show were so funny and so like in tune with who you are off camera that they that they start to write the weirdest shit for you sometimes as an inside joke to you, but sometimes as just like a gift to the show because it was a character that wasn’t represented on the show. A silly, weird, lovable. Yeah. I mean, you really you rarely see that character, you know, you really saw it prior to a new girl. And so I think they created a pretty cool, a pretty cool tone of of weird, you know what I mean? Not too much. Not too little, but right in the pocket of stupidity.

 

Ira Madison III Season three of that show. Now, if I recall, is the season that Prince was on the show, which has to be better than an Emmy anyway. But did you get to have any significant interactions with Prince when you filmed?

 

Lamorne Morris I did. I did. You know, I’ll tell you, you know, he walked in and he had like, I don’t know, maybe 30 or 40 people with him all dressed in like, shiny shirt and zippers and tassles and he had. He had he had lights in his shoes and in his cane. And when I tell you everybody got silent. Now, we had over 200 people on set that day, 200 extras. I want to say our most expensive episode, I believe. And this man walked in and everyone to get everybody get quiet. Everybody just looked at him. And I remember him going as you were.

 

Louis Virtel God, he is so funny. He is so funny.

 

Lamorne Morris And there was this one moment where what’s one of what he’s like telling us? He is one of his background dancers or part of his entourage, ended up having a moment in the episode. And and he calls me to the side. He goes, he goes, Lamorne, Can you teach her how to act surprised? And I said, What do you mean? And he goes, Well, she has to come out and she has to notice me and she has to look surprised. So and she’s never acted before. So is there any way you could teach her how to act surprised? And I said, absolutely. And I’m thinking, I’ll pull it to the side in like a corner somewhere and work with her. And he goes, No, no, no, do it. Do it right here. And then he sits down in a chair. And had me and her perform for him, in which he gleefully clapped and cheered on and was just like, he was so excited to see it. And, you know, you got to imagine and I felt good about doing it because you’ve got to imagine somebody who’s been entertaining folks for however many decades. And he’s been at the top, top, top of that list of performers. Like, how often do people how often does he get a moment to sit down and just go watch a movie or sit down and go to a comedy show or sit out? And so in a small way, I saw the look at his eye and he was so excited to have two people just performing a scene from for him and. You know, part of me was like, Man, this is ridiculous. But the other part was, well, it’s Prince. It’s not Soulja Boy. You know. Like if Soulja Boy said Lamorne come dance in front of me. I’d be like shut yo ass up. Also, I love your music, Soulja Boy. But I’m not dancing for you. Prince. Yes. Yeah.

 

Louis Virtel I read in an interview you gave recently that you were actually desperate to be a guest on late night comedy shows, which is interesting to me because I write for Jimmy Kimmel and you guest hosted over the summer. You’ve got hosted before, which was your fabulous, extremely well suited to this. But what is it a bit about being a guest on a talk show that you really like craved doing?

 

Lamorne Morris I mean, you know, when you grow up in the comedy business, you you even though I didn’t grow up on Carson, I remember Carson. You know, I remember the standups coming out and getting a chance to sit on the couch. If they get the they get the wave over to sit in. And I knew it was a it was a career. Extender. You know what I mean? It opens you up to a whole different audience when you’re on it because you’re sitting down talking to someone who’s mastered the art form, someone who is a master comic, someone who is a master storyteller, a master interviewer, and you get a chance to sit down and just have a conversation about whatever it is you want to talk about. And I you know, to me, that’s part of making it in the business. When you get a chance to come sit next to a Jimmy Kimmel or Conan O’Brien or, you know, a Fallon or something like that. When you get that opportunity, it’s pretty damn cool. So I was desperate for it. You know what I mean? For the longest time, I. I couldn’t. I, you know, I just thought, I’m on a TV show. They’re going to call me. And then it was like, No, no, no, no. No, no. You got to do more than that. And it’s so funny that I think my first one was Craig Ferguson, I want to say, and it’s so funny and I had such a good time on there. He improvises everything. No stories, none of that. And it was just so freeing and then having a chance to do. Conan And then Kimmel. I mean, you know, to me, that’s what makes me feel like, I made it like, I’m comfortable now in this business. Like, I, I should be here. You know, these folks over here wanted me to come talk to them. So and it’s almost honestly, I’ll tell you, winning an Emmy is, is is is to me is a is a great honor. You know, being on a being asked to be on a on a on a a late night talk show, especially when you grew up as a kid watching those things. I used to sit out my grandma and my mom watching, you know, late night talk shows like this is this is up there with with that the Emmy and talk shows like late night talk shows are they’re kind of neck and neck for me because they both are just reminders that you’re doing the right thing and you should continue to push in this direction because, you know, the fans out there like it.

 

Louis Virtel There is something just in general about like being invited to be on a late night talk show where it’s we think you’re so talented, we just want to hang out with you. So it’s almost like this like relish in the fame moment you get to have or it’s like an Emmy. It’s like, yeah, you worked hard and we’re rewarding you, but now it’s like we like you so much. You’re our friend, you know? So anyway, it’s actually creepy and parasocial, but yes. Good for you.

 

Lamorne Morris Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And a cool thing about it too, as I’ll see Jimmy at these events and things and it’s like we’re all buddies, you know what I mean? Hey, what’s up, man? Big hug. And, you know, that to me is like, when you meet people and you get a chance to have a rapport with folks, you know, even that right there kind of sums up your career in a little bit, in a little way, because again, you grow up watching these folks. I remember the first time I did I did a movie called Barbershop The Next Cut. And I mean, the icons that are in this movie and I just the next cut and I just remember, you know, Anthony Anderson, just like texting me randomly and like Cedric the Entertainer texted me, Hey, man, let’s go smoke a cigar or something like that. You know, I’d be over at, you know, this person’s house, do it. And I’m like, Man, I met them on a movie set and we’re still friends. They haven’t given up on me just yet. Okay. I feel good. Okay. I’ve been I’ve got a good space here.

 

Ira Madison III I read you talk about watching late night shows and obviously, you know, aspiring to be on a couch, etc.. But what other things did you consume when you were younger that you sort of aspired to? Whether any other sort of comedy heroes of yours? Were there any other shows that you loved that you were like, you know, you’re still waiting to get to do something like that in this industry?

 

Lamorne Morris I mean, besides pornography. You know. I got to I got to say. No, I know you’re saying are you saying be set. Your. Time? Are you saying, you know, what other aspects of, you know, the industry or like things that I consumed that I wanted to be a part of?

 

Ira Madison III No, I mean, like sort of maybe what other shows, you know, some, like, show that you really loved or some other actor whose career you really enjoyed.

 

Lamorne Morris Well, besides, I mean, I. I got to stop saying Eddie Murphy. I got it. I think Eddie Murphy is a an a class all by himself. And I think that that’s that’s unachievable for that to happen. You know, I mean Eddie is such a and he’s still doing it which is to me he’s so iconic but he is definitely someone that I that I looked up to, looked up to and aspired to be like. But I got to say, you know, Martin and and Chappelle’s Show were to. Saga. Martin Chappelle’s Show, 30 Rock. Right. For all different reasons. You know, Martin was playing all these characters in a television show. And whenever you turned on Martin, it looked like you were it felt like you were in their living room and you were just having fun with them, like they were so silly. The topics are so stupid. But when I say funny, I mean they’d be breaking, laughing. And for me, you know, for me, that’s. That’s what I want. That’s what I want to do with my life. I want to have fun with my friends at that level. You know, Chappelle’s Show was because he broke a lot of rules. He was very irreverent, almost like going back to the old school SNL days when when you can sing a song called Get Me a Shotgun and Kill all the whiteys I see and everybody knows it’s comedy, so they laugh at it. You know, Chappelle was doing that type of stuff. And in a way where, I mean, he’s got songs about like Aunt Kelly peeing and shitting on people. Like what? You know what I mean? Like, he does, he does that kind of stuff. And and in 30 Rock, I mean, 30 Rock, I love 30 Rock because it’s it’s like an amalgam of every. Every comedic type of character, every comedic archetype you could find there on that show. And they all combined forces to make one of the funniest things you will ever see. And, you know, so 30 Rock definitely is something that inspired me. And it’s kind of like inside baseball a little bit with with with 30 Rock, the improv scene, the sketch scene, the what goes on behind the cameras, the writing process. Yeah. So that’s definitely a show that inspired me to, you know, to be where I am right now.

 

Louis Virtel I mean, 30 Rock, I want to say, additionally, not only are the main cast members great, but even like the second and third, like the recurring characters, like the people who would just be in the writers room, they were also so fleshed out and real too. It’s like it’s like they really paid attention to making everybody very real.

 

Lamorne Morris Yes. My God. Absolutely. You know, in comedy, you know, everything’s fair game. It’s like you’re on a if you’re in a if you’re in an improv show and there’s like ten people, you know, if you’re on stage, you know, you’re on stage. So the lights are on. I feel like throw rockets no matter. There’s no big or small characters, you know what I mean? There’s your dynamic. You get a laugh, then you’re part of the you’re part of the gold. You know what I mean?

 

Louis Virtel I totally know there was everybody was essential in that. And then they kept delivering new, amazing characters, you know? Like years later, you’d finally get whatever. I mean, Elaine Stritch went away. And then, you know, somebody else amazing would come and Kristen Schaal, whomever, you know.

 

Lamorne Morris Yeah, absolutely.

 

Ira Madison III I want to lastly ask, I’m a huge Spider-Man fan. I’m so excited that you’re going to be in Spider-Man noir. You had a fantastic story in Vanity Fair where you talked about how you thought you were going to be meeting Nicolas Cage, but it turned out that your team had just set up a dinner for you to surprise you for your Emmy nomination. And they’re all wearing Nicolas Cage masks, which is hilarious. But you talked about prepping to meet Nicolas Cage and were calling one of your best friends who is like a Nicolas Cage like aficionado and sort of like prepping to meet with him. So I want to know about the prep. Like, did you watch. Did you watch a specific Nicolas Cage movie or like, what were you prepared to talk to the Nicolas Cage about? What were you going to zero in on?

 

Lamorne Morris A lot of a lot of it was fashion. A lot of it was. You try to figure out what to wear because, you know, my buddy would post every Tuesday. He would post. Nic Cage, Nic Cage Fit Tuesdays. And then he would have like, like old photos of him from red carpets or paparazzi photos of him like leopard pants with a buttoned up unbuttoned shirt. You know what I mean? With, like, a fedora. Different things like that. So I’m looking at my closet, you know, try to figure out exactly what do I have? That’s not too loud, but not too subtle. What? How could I impress Nic Cage? And especially because the first time I met him, he was wearing a multi-colored velour tracksuit and his gold Rolex I’d ever seen. And I was like. I was like, Yeah, yeah, that means that man is cool. Okay. That man is flashy. Yeah, he’s got some style. I got to figure my shit out. So a lot of it was spent looking at the photos of Nick and going, I wonder what I can get away with. And then just like my buddy just sitting me down and giving me a good crash course on some of the you know, he’s asking me what my favorite Nick Cage movies are. And, you know, I’m just going through the list of all gone air, you know what I mean? I’m going to face off. And he’s like, okay, good, good. That’s good. He’s like, He’s probably not going to he’s not going to grill you about, you know, you know, film trivia, even though he’s a cinephile. Like, don’t worry about that. Just, you know, as long as we could make references towards his movies, you know what I mean? Then then you’re good to go and it never right. So I wasted a lot of my time and I wasted an evening in my finest black and gold button up, so he never got a chance. I never got a chance to have dinner with him, but I film with him, so I filmed with him, which is even better.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah.

 

Louis Virtel My God. I kind of want to be put through my paces in that same way someday. Like when I finally get to meet whoever. I don’t know. Madonna or something. Just. Yeah. Well, we’ll see what I have in my closet for this.

 

Lamorne Morris Yes. I know. I was almost wanted to call a stylist. Almost

 

Ira Madison III He always turns up on GQ is like list of 90s airport like fit looks the celebrities in the 90s there. Airport looks are always fantastic. It’s always like a leather jacket. Like people dressed up and they looked fly going to the airport in the 90s. Lamorne, thank you so much for being here with us.

 

Lamorne Morris Man thank you. Thank you all. I really appreciate it. This was fun. You know.

 

Louis Virtel Also I you have the one Emmy nominees or one Emmy When? Now. I have. A feeling it’s going to be like a four or 5 or 6 wins thing. Like you’re like you do drama and stuff too, Like too versatile. It’s going to be coming at you from all directions.

 

Lamorne Morris Hey, I appreciate that. Let’s get our fingers crossed. You know, let’s. Let’s make it happen.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. The Emmys. The Emmys are a little different from, like, the Oscars. The once you get to the Emmys is kind of like the floodgates. I feel like Emmy voters are like, we like you. We just want to keep giving you more.

 

Lamorne Morris Yeah. And I like them. And I gladly accept these gifts.

 

Ira Madison III And now a poem from Amanda Gorman. Autumn Leaves that Fall on America. See them? So, like I said, fall has arrived. Autumn is here. I am no longer able to get peach tea at the cafe across the street anymore. It’s been replaced by pumpkin tea. I get pumpkin spice, you know. Coffee? Who the fuck is drinking pumpkin tea?

 

Louis Virtel I The only. Thing I can really dial into a pumpkin is a little ice cream that I can do. But otherwise it doesn’t speak to me.

 

Ira Madison III I mean, the pumpkin ice cream sounds great. You know, the great pumpkin? Charlie Brown?

 

Louis Virtel Yeah. No, Linus. Just sitting out there being an idiot. I’m sorry. The first conspiracy theorist that I can think of is Linus waiting for that fucking pumpkin to arrive. Snoopy is like looking at his watch. Like, are you still out here?

 

Ira Madison III But speaking of that film, I figured we would give keep it listeners some other movies that they could, you know, curl up with some.

 

Louis Virtel Cozy fall material. Yes. Yeah. The fleece vest of cinema.

 

Ira Madison III Grab a blanket, put some cocoa on the stove. Is that how you make our cocoa?

 

Louis Virtel You sound like such a Yeah, chef. Put some cocoa on the stove.

 

Ira Madison III DoorDash, some Swiss men.

 

Louis Virtel There we go. Yeah. That’s. That sounds like me. I’ll start with you. What is your definitive fall blend?

 

Ira Madison III Okay. You know, I figured that fall obviously involves Halloween and scary movies.

 

Louis Virtel My God. You’re like a detective. Yes.

 

Ira Madison III You have to start this list with the definitive horror movie Halloween.

 

Louis Virtel Okay, Sure. I mean, if anybody needs to hear that Halloween is a good movie to watch during fall, maybe use your brain. I don’t know. Wake up. Join the living. Living? Yes. I will say Halloween is the rare horror movie that I find extremely cozy. There’s something about how it captures the essence of the suburbs and the spookiness of being in the daytime of just like 4 p.m. and nothing’s really happening. And yet, who is that guy over there? It’s just like a familiar feeling to me growing up. And in fact, one of my girlfriends who’s visiting this weekend named Sunny, she at one point in her life, watched that movie every night before she went to bed, as in Halloween with Tucker in to sleep.

 

Ira Madison III Okay. Well, that’s a little scary. I mean. My suggestion for Halloween is that even because it’s horror related, it’s exactly what you said. It feels like the suburbs. It feels like you’re watching the leaves turn. It is one of those films that turns the daylight into something spooky. And I think another horror film that manages to do that is Ginger Snaps.

 

Louis Virtel Never seen it. Explain.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, it’s a horror film that is about teenage werewolves.

 

Louis Virtel Which is the prime age to be a werewolf. I mean, like if you’re a teenage werewolf, you have got the world on a string.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. So Ginger Snaps is a 2000 Canadian horror film. It is about two teenage sisters. It’s a werewolf film. It is sort of queer, but they’re sisters. So, you know, the vibes are queer, but it’s not queer in content, if you know what I mean. But it is very fall by vibes. It is very daytime spooky. It’s very akin to Halloween and it’s sort of suburbs is scary and I think it’s perfect for autumn.

 

Louis Virtel Okay. Lesbianism definitely belongs in the season of fall. I can’t explain it. There’s just something, you know, chilling on a warm couch. You know, lesbianism. It belongs there. Now, I will say for for me, far as you know, one of my least favorite seasons. But I can dig into fall in that. Summer’s gone away. And then, you know, that’s a big party season where everybody is together. And I feel like fall is when people kind of retreat into themselves and they’re kind of alone with, if you will, their own demons. I don’t even need to see actual, like, horror demons. If I’m watching a fall movie, something that really connects to me in the fall is movies that are about obsession or intrigue. And I just rewatched something that I hadn’t seen in years. But have you seen the movie Vertigo recently?

 

Ira Madison III Yes. I mean, I love Vertigo. I know that you famously don’t like it.

 

Louis Virtel I it was a movie that’s like uncomfortable for me in terms of the Hitchcockian nature of it, how he’s like the main character played by Jimmy Stewart becomes obsessed with this woman that he’s charged with following. And then there’s a whole caper. But then they get involved and then he has to sort of recreate her once the this woman dies. Something about it felt a bit too on the nose in terms of Hitchcock making this movie. I felt like I was watching him explain what he honestly thinks of the female stars of his movies and how kind of he creates them and then dismisses them, basically. But. It’s the rare movie to me that is a plot thriller where you’re watching Jimmy Stewart follow Kim Novak and then they get lost in San Francisco together. And then in addition to being a plotting thriller, it is an art movie at every turn. So you’re lost in the psychosis of this man. And sort of the beauty and the desperation of his journey is very just palpable. And and once the movie’s over, even though I don’t really love the last two minutes of this movie, it just feels very choppy to me. There is something you just want to be in when you watch that movie. Like you want that Zen quality the movie brings you, even though it’s about a guy lost in his own thoughts and lost in his own obsession. To me, there’s something very definitive, definitively autumnal about that. And if you haven’t watched the movie again recently, I found it to be quite addictive.

 

Ira Madison III I mean, speaking of a sort of intense thriller for the season, I am a huge fan of Crimson Peak.

 

Louis Virtel Never seen. Also, I can’t believe I haven’t seen that movie.

 

Ira Madison III Wow. I mean, Jessica Chastain is fantastic in this film. And I mean, obviously her greatest role is fighting with Jet Blue on Twitter.

 

Louis Virtel She’s going to get what’s hers. And what that is, is leg room. Yes.

 

Ira Madison III But Jessica Chastain is fantastic in this Guillermo del Toro film, which I feel like was panned a bit when it first came out, but has grown into a bit of a cult fave. Tom Hiddleston is in this. Mia Wasikowska. Charlie Hunnam.

 

Louis Virtel I love Mia Wasikowska, who was great in like The Kids Are All Right, but she was so good as a guest actress on In Treatment in like 2009 or something. That’s somebody where we kept waiting for the moment when she would, you know, kind of be like a like a Jennifer Lawrence, like in every movie. And then it kind of didn’t happen. I can’t really explain it. She was great in the Alice in Wonderland movies.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. So there are some incest vibes in this film.

 

Louis Virtel Every once in a while we get those. Sure.

 

Ira Madison III But it is a gothic romance. So of course there are these are real incest vibes, unlike the ones in Ginger Snaps, which, you know, the queer vibes in ginger snaps are there. But there are undertones because the lead characters and ginger snaps are sisters. I feel like that was they were made sisters so that it wouldn’t be a queer movie.

 

Louis Virtel I see. I see. Shall I throw it back to another movie about obsession and intrigue? You ever seen the movie, Laura?

 

Ira Madison III Of course.

 

Louis Virtel With Gene Tierney as the titular Laura, a woman who is in this painting. Anyway, it’s a mystery and it’s a film noir. And I can’t say I love every performance in it. I’m not really a Gene Tierney Stan, actually. However, you get Clifton Webb, who is this kind of prissy actor who dominated the 1940s, and I’m sure about this up before he was nominated for an Oscar for playing Mr. Belvedere in a movie called Sitting Pretty Where he is. He is a male babysitter who is a fucking [Unrecognized]. Wait, he is hilarious. But like ruins, like he whips these kids into shape and gets and it’s just it’s full of one liners. I really recommend it. But anyway, it’s the rare movie where there’s two actors in it who are competitively super gay. It is Clifton Webb and Vincent Price, who is just a tall, you know, lean, effeminate art art docent of a man. And you see them and they’re both kind of suspects in this strange world surrounding a woman who has disappeared. I really recommend that, too. That to me is a fun one of a kind, but with one of a kind performances. And you also get Judith Anderson in it, who is famous for playing Mrs. Danvers in the movie Rebecca, as she has a bit role here. That’s really good.

 

Ira Madison III Well, if you want a gay film for the season, I’m going to have to recommend Morris starring Grant. Grant and Rupert Graves. It’s based on the E.M. Forster novel of the same name. And it is, I believe at 87 is a romantic drama directed by James Ivory, who also gave us what did give us. He gave us Howards End and the Remains of the Day. It’s I think it’s a beautiful film.

 

Louis Virtel And James Ivory won the adapted screenplay Oscar for adapting Call Me By Your Name. And he was in his 90s, I believe, when he won that. But yeah, if you don’t know the films of Merchant Ivory, that’s like the best of period cinema. Like we never improved on that. He also did a movie called Mr. Mrs. Bridge, which was Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward in the 90s. That is a fabulous film too. And also, I’ll. All right, I’ll dip into horror for a second, I think. Still the most intriguing. A capital H horror movie of all time that has the most going for it, that is the most revisited ball. And in fact, we keep revisiting it in terms of things like the movie Apartment seven A. Like they’re keeping spends on this. The movie Hereditary is kind of a spin on it. Rosemary’s Baby, which was directed by Roman Polanski, has Mia Farrow. You’ve got a lot of late 60s grisly New York vibes. And also just the frightening thing that is having neighbors who are interested in your life. So it starts there. But just know that the psychological journey you go on is so well realized. It’s so just disorienting enough before it pulls you into the fabulous and surprising solution in quotes to the movie. Ruth Gordon wins the best Supporting Actress Oscar for being a meddling neighbor. And I can’t think of a better meddling neighbor. And I say and I include Gladys Kravitz from Bewitched, who you would think would be the greatest meddling neighbor of all time.

 

Ira Madison III Okay. So if you want to talk about meddling neighbors and the streets of New York, I’m going to take you a bout 100 years earlier that Rosemary’s Baby to the Age of innocence.

 

Louis Virtel Sure. Yes.

 

Ira Madison III Yes. And this is the Scorsese film, and it is the adaptation of the Edith Wharton novel. And this is Daniel Day-Lewis is in this film. Michelle Pfeiffer is in this film. Winona Ryder is in this film. You’re less of a fan of Winona Ryder’s performance in this film than I am. But Michelle Pfeiffer in this film is this is right up there with her in Batman Returns is just her best performances for me ever. And I think that the chemistry between her and Daniel Day-Lewis is so intense. It’s maybe the hottest film that Martin Scorsese has ever made.

 

Louis Virtel That’s a good question. I’m trying to think of anything that would even compare. I like how the camera lingers on. Cathy Moriarty and Raging Bull. But in terms of sexual chemistry, I think you are probably right. Also, weirdly, the narrator of that movie, a woman I just brought up, Joanne Woodward, a very interesting choice, though. She does have a lovely voice. And of course, also at the Age of Innocence, the rare Scorsese movie with two women in it. I know it’s rarely, never been. It’s never been done. It’s never been done.

 

Ira Madison III I’m going to stay in the romance lane and give you a trilogy of films to.

 

Louis Virtel Watch the Before us.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, no, actually, I’m not giving you the before films, but I am giving you first. All that have it allows and I’m giving you a far from Heaven.

 

Louis Virtel Miss Julianne Moore, the 22 Best Actress race aforementioned.

 

Ira Madison III And I am giving you Ali Fear. It’s the song.

 

Louis Virtel Now what’s happening there?

 

Ira Madison III So all that Heaven allows is a melodrama from 1955. It’s a Douglas Sirk film. It stars Jane Wyman and Rock Hudson. It’s sort of a film about the complications that arise from her being a widow who wants to date a basically the gardener, you know, and that small town that she’s in has a lot of opinions about it. Her kids have a lot of opinions about it. There is a very sort of poignant scene where her kids don’t want her to be with this man. They’re worried about what people will say about their mother dating this man and they get her a TV for Christmas. And it’s like, we don’t want you to be with a man, but you can spend your time with the television set.

 

Louis Virtel I made the same choice for myself a long time ago, by the way.

 

Ira Madison III And so this is just sort of a film about what society thinks, about who you should fall in love with. And then this film is revisited in 2002 by Todd Haynes, who does this film with Julianne Moore, Dennis Quaid and Dennis Haysbert. And he explores the same themes, however, in the film. The Rock Hudson character is black.

 

Louis Virtel Yes. And Dennis Quaid, where he goes, by the way, you get a closeted freak out scene from him, too, that you won’t soon forget.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. So Julianne Moore’s husband is gay in this film. And so you get to deal with homosexuality in the 50s and then you also get to deal with race. And the ending of this film is, you know, a bit sadder than the ending of the Douglas Sirk film. But, you know, it is inspired by it and it has the same themes. And then, of course, you have Fassbinder’s film, Ali Fear is the Soul, which is a German film, and it’s about a woman and her relationship with a muslim man.

 

Louis Virtel I also want to say about Far From Heaven, we were talking about nosy neighbors. You also get Patricia Clarkson sticking her nose where it doesn’t belong and in fabulous fall attire.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. I mean, all of the neighbors in the movies that Douglas Cert has are sort of busybodies. Yeah.

 

Louis Virtel I love the term busybody. I love, like, insulting words that we don’t use anymore. You know, it’s like when you used to call somebody uphill. I miss that.

 

Ira Madison III Ali Fear Eats the Soul is from Rainer Werner Fassbinder and this is a 1974 sort of adaptation of all that Heaven allows. And it is about a German woman who falls in love with a Moroccan migrant worker in postwar Germany. And of course, this is about how their societies don’t want them to have a relationship together. So it’s about her German neighbors and it’s about, you know, his Moroccan neighbors both sort of judging this relationship that blossoms between them.

 

Louis Virtel Now, speaking of forbidden relationships, does this mean Brokeback Mountain would qualify as a fall movie? What do we think?

 

Ira Madison III I guess so.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah, it’s not it’s I mean, there’s at the beginning of the movie, it’s sort of like summer fades away. So there’s something kind of fall about that.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. We can throw Brokeback Mountain on there. And I’m gonna give you one last movie that’s sort of about a not a forbidden romance, but it’s a romance that meets a lot of friction in the movie. I’m going to give you step, Mom.

 

Louis Virtel Which is I can’t even explain how they did what they did in that movie and that I mean, it’s so devastating. And like, it could only be Susan Sarandon who brings it to that fever pitch of an emotional climax.

 

Ira Madison III I watched that film, obviously, as a kid, and it’s just like a fun movie. It’s actually a very funny movie. To watch as a kid. But revisiting it as an adult is obviously, as you said, it’s devastating. And Susan Sarandon and Julia Roberts in that film are so much chemistry.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah. Also, I mean, just I will never forgive myself for how rude I was as a teenager about Julia Roberts. I took her for granted. I just thought we would have her around forever. And because of that, I felt that she was mediocre. Excuse me. She is top five. Top line movie stars who ever lived. She’s like a Barbra Streisand type. I can’t believe I ever underestimated her to the degree that I did. She’s unbelievable. And I saw she was just on Watch What Happens live not long ago. And I love her as an interviewee, too.

 

Ira Madison III And a great fucking sense of humor.

 

Louis Virtel She is fucking hilarious. I will never forget when she was on some red carpet and like NBC came up to her and she goes, You guys are in the toilet right now. WoofHer ABC. I forget what it was.

 

Ira Madison III Anyway. Step mom, the ultimate fall movie. All right. I would say.

 

Louis Virtel That’s a good answer. It’s a good answer.

 

Ira Madison III And when we’re back. Keep it. And we are back for our favorite segment of the episode. It’s Keep it. Louis.

 

Louis Virtel Yes.

 

Ira Madison III What’s your Keep It?

 

Louis Virtel Okay. Last night, as depicted on my shirt, I saw one of my favorite artists, PJ Harvey. She’s what we used to call alternative rock, but she’s this unbelievably versatile artist. Her one album doesn’t sound like the next. She’s routinely gothic in nature. There’s always a theatrical component to her music. Her new album is this kind of forest strange misty thing. It’s a little bit like if Kate Bush were funereal is how I would describe this album. But anyway, she sounds unbelievable. It’s like she has all of the characters in her repertoire from all these other albums and can access them vocally just in. And she looks fabulous, too. But what I want to bring up in terms of my keep it is this was at the Greek in Los Angeles, great venue. It was scheduled for 8:00. She was on at 803. There was no opener. She was like ready to go. And you know what she didn’t do the entire time that I so respect No patter at all. My key is to patter during concerts as if somehow we get, like, some extra edge out of an artist by having them sort of blabber between songs, even though it’s always extra rehearsed, it just as rehearsed as the rest of what they do. And it’s like, I don’t really need you to give me one liners. I don’t need you to give me an anecdote. Like when she just went up there and performed and the lighting cues and the sound cues were the same. Like you were watching a play. It was uniform from beginning to end. The audience was transfixed. There was never a moment where people were walking out or waiting to hear more from her. It was like a cohesive, theatrical experience because she did not stop to act like she was the lead character on Hacks at Us. And I appreciated that. It really felt like I was watching just a pro. And so there was never any moment where I felt like, I should go get something to drink or something, or like, I’m out of a baseball game and there’s nothing happening right now, so I’m going to go disappear for a second. No, you stood there in the moment with her. And I have to say for that reason, it is one of my favorite concerts I have ever been to. And also, it was efficiently done. We were out of there in an hour and 40 minutes also. So no disrespect to the Bruce Springsteen’s and Taylor Swift’s out there, but there’s something to be said about just a tightly drawn concert with no fluff in it. And that is exactly what she delivered. And again, I want to reiterate, Jesus, this woman sounds amazing.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, I mean, I had a PJ Harvey phase around 2011 with Let England Shake. I love that album.

 

Louis Virtel Her second Mercury Prize winning album. Yes. You know what’s weird about this concert? Her most famous album at this point is probably Stories from the City, Stories from the Sea, which came out around 2000, and that was maybe her most conventional and accessible album. It’s like a rock album with big rock hooks that it would fit on the radio alongside things like Matchbox 20 or anything else that was out at the time. She did not play a single song from that. There’s some there’s a quality about her that is quite fuck you that I was back to and that kind of Tori Amos. Bjork Like you never know what’s going on in my head. Where?

 

Ira Madison III Well, speaking of the boss.

 

Louis Virtel Yes.

 

Ira Madison III Or should I say the man, Taylor Swift?

 

Louis Virtel Don’t shrink me like that. Back into a Bruce conversation. The Boss. Okay.

 

Ira Madison III I actually I was actually thinking about Bruce Springsteen this weekend because I was in Tulsa and I was in Tulsa for Tulsa Pride. I was flown there by the city of Tulsa with a bunch of other days. Okay.

 

Louis Virtel They’re falling apart over there. All right.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, it was fun. I was at the Woody Guthrie Museum, and I. Yeah, and I got to see the Bob Dylan archives.

 

Louis Virtel Awesome. Also, Tulsa, which I assume there’s a Hanson museum you also saw.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, No Hanson Museum, but apparently there’s a Hanson Day.

 

Louis Virtel Okay.

 

Ira Madison III Every year that becomes Hanson Week. And one of the people at the Woody Guthrie Museum told us that it becomes half the Hanson week because just women in their, you know, 40s arrived there a week early and they just take over the whole city and they’re just camping out waiting to see Hanson.

 

Louis Virtel Wow. Zac, Isaac and Taylor, They’re still in.

 

Ira Madison III This? Yeah. Yeah. But obviously, Bruce was a focal point of the Woody Guthrie sort of museum because there are a lot of artists who were inspired by Hanson. You know, they gave interviews and everything, and Taylor was not one of those people, but I’m sure she’s inspired by Woody Guthrie all the time.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah. This land is all our land. Duh.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Anyway, Taylor Swift might keep it goes to her this week because I want to talk about. She and so many artists we know love to use Good Morning America as their propaganda news outlet. As as my friend Shea likes to refer to it as, you know, like, remember when Beyoncé announced she was vegan.

 

Louis Virtel She would just sit right down with George Stephanopoulos on.

 

Ira Madison III Good Morning America. What always happens is they announce that they have an announcement coming up on Good Morning America to get their fans watching the show. And then it’s always some bullshit, right?

 

Louis Virtel So what was she promoting?

 

Ira Madison III She was promoting the Aras tour book.

 

Louis Virtel As in like a picture book?

 

Ira Madison III Yes.

 

Louis Virtel Excuse me. Excuse me. The Heiress tour picture book is the Internet. If you have not seen fucking pictures from the area store, you’re at culturally richer man than I am. Because all I’ve fucking seen is that.

 

Ira Madison III Now, Louis, you know, it’s never before seen photos.

 

Louis Virtel Of what? From what angle?

 

Ira Madison III Who ads Only available at Target.

 

Louis Virtel You don’t say. I can’t imagine it living anywhere else. What does it mean? Is it like a coffee table book that.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, it’s a coffee table. Book is. And it’s like a lot of pictures. And honestly, my real keep it should go to Beyonce because where the fuck is the Renaissance tour book?

 

Louis Virtel no. That would be actually sort of eye popping and something to look at. But also if you have an Irish tour coffee table book, it’s probably more of a Frappuccino table, right? You’re not really at the sophistication level of real coffee, you know what I’m saying?

 

Ira Madison III It’s time for me to turn around and leave. I went home with someone once and I saw you. What? Let me tell you what I saw in their kitchen.

 

Louis Virtel Oh God.

 

Ira Madison III I saw three Eras movie AMC cups in their kitchen. Three of them.

 

Louis Virtel Now, why would you say that to me, Louis? What am I supposed to do with information like that? Get through the episode. Enjoy myself. I’m having a bad time. I’m having a bad time.

 

Ira Madison III Well, luckily, it’s almost over.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah. Three cups? Yeah.

 

Ira Madison III Three of them.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah.

 

Ira Madison III Not even four for a complete, you know, set for, you know, just coming over for dinner.

 

Louis Virtel I guess Not now. No, I was thinking recently about her because, of course. Actually, this is crazy. You know who I agree with about Taylor Swift? Azealia Banks. Who? Who said about Taylor Swift. I wish you would stick with the Michelle branch sounding music. And then also the and a now like like sensuality. That to me is what Taylor Swift did best. I’m talking about the album’s like fearless or like basically fearless, but also like 1989, etc.. She did nail again. You know my problem with Celia Banks. She’s right one time and then the absolute worst the next day is. So this is my curse. She’s going to say something fucking crazy tomorrow, and then you’re going to be like, Well, Lewis, you advocated for this woman yet again. She currently is claiming that she just came up with a song that’s better than two one, two. So. All right. The lies are swirling.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah, I. Well, obviously, you must have disagreed with her when she has been on at this point, a three week rant about how Madonna is trash and Vogue sucks and Martha Wash would have done it better.

 

Louis Virtel Also, just not true. I mean, like I love Martha Wash. No, please don’t really worship Martha Wash. Even though she’s an extremely amazing vocalist. Martha Wash is that everybody dance. And she did the scene sing Music factory song. She’s an It’s Raining Men, etc..

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. Speaking of everybody, dads. I want to talk about. Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch briefly.

 

Louis Virtel Which was, I believe, a band that was created to sell underwear. Go ahead.

 

Ira Madison III Have you seen lately the Marky Mark Calvin Klein ad?

 

Louis Virtel Just around.

 

Ira Madison III Just have you see it like the 90s ad? I need you to look up the commercial because it is one of the craziest things I have ever seen. It is. It’s talking about obviously, you know, he used to have his pants sagging with, you know, the the Calvin Klein briefs right at the time, you know, not the not the tighty whities. They were the briefs, the kind that, you know, there is a point at the end of the commercial where he talks about how the briefs are so tight, you know, that they will protect you from Aids.

 

Louis Virtel Help me, God. Excuse me. That’s in the commercial.

 

Ira Madison III It’s in the fucking commercial.

 

Louis Virtel Like some Don Draper person was like. Make sure to get the ad copy about the aids.

 

Ira Madison III Yes.

 

Louis Virtel What God.

 

Ira Madison III The 90s were a time.

 

Louis Virtel Also. Mark Wahlberg. Go ahead and don’t tell me about it.

 

Ira Madison III Meanwhile, if Mark Wahlberg knew you had Aids, he would probably beat you up.

 

Louis Virtel And yet also protect you from 911. As you know, he’s.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah yeah. With gloves, though, so he wouldn’t get it.

 

Louis Virtel Jesus Christ. No, I had forgotten that it was even connected to a live action commercial. I just think of it as the print ads that Annie Leibovitz was somehow responsible for.

 

Ira Madison III Yeah. And I will close out this episode by saying Annie Leibovitz marked safe because the photo that she did of Kamala Harris for Vogue looks good. All right. Even though I will say the cover is giving a little bit, it looks like Kamala’s Madame Tussauds.

 

Louis Virtel Okay.

 

Ira Madison III It looks it looks like her statue. And I don’t want to give any too much credit because Kamala is very light skinned.

 

Louis Virtel Sure. Right, right, right. You know, I know this is from her time. Wait, Sorry. What is this from Vogue?

 

Ira Madison III She. She just did a Vogue cover.

 

Louis Virtel Okay. I haven’t looked at the Vogue cover as much recently. I’ll. I’ll glance at it. Annie Leibovitz as best work is still Bruce Springsteen in that trench coat scaling. If you know that Rolling Stone cover, go look it up.

 

Ira Madison III The boss, the man.

 

Louis Virtel We love him. And how he looks kind of like Tilda Swinton at the moment.

 

Ira Madison III Get them in a movie together.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah. Please. The small spaces. Yeah.

 

Ira Madison III Or let her play him.

 

Louis Virtel That’s what I’m saying. And I’m not there. Situation. Yeah.

 

Ira Madison III All right. Well, that’s our episode. So thank you to Lamorne Morris for joining us. And we’ll see you next week. Don’t forget to follow Crooked Media on Instagram, Twitter and TikTok.

 

Louis Virtel You can also subscribe to keep it on YouTube for access to full episodes and other exclusive content. And if you’re as opinionated as we are, consider dropping us a review.

 

Ira Madison III Keep It is a Crooked Media production. Our producers are Chris Lord and Kennedy Hill. Our executive producers are Ira Madison, the third, Louis Virtel and Kendra James.

 

Louis Virtel Our digital team is Meghan Patsel, Claudia Shang and Rachel Gaieski. This episode was recorded and mixed by Evan Sutton. Thank you to Matt DeGroot, David Toles, Kyle Seglin and Charlotte Landes for production support every week.

 

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